Muscle cars?

[DeltaV]

While this is a HIGHLY arguable topic, I'd say you are fairly close, and I say that because after '71 or '72, they started to detune them and began taking the muscle out of "muscle cars" (as well as all others).

Case in point, the Cadillac 500 CID.
1970 - 400 hp (298 kW) @ 4400 rpm
1971 - 365 hp (272 kW) @ 4400 rpm
1972 - 235 hp (175 kW) @ 4400 rpm
1973 - same as above
1974 - 205 hp (153 kW) @ 4400 rpm
1975 - 210 hp (157 kW) @ 3600 rpm
1976 - A paltry 190 hp (142 kW) @ 3600 rpm

That list is a mix of gross and net horsepower ratings. Most U.S. automakers before 1971 or 1972 preferred to quote the more generous gross figures. Net figures might appear in shop manuals, technical papers, or other factory literature, but rarely showed up in advertising.

 

[moparnation74]

I have a 69 GTX, a 70 Cuda and a 74 Duster. The Cuda and Duster are drag cars. So yes, an A-body, B-Body and E-Body. But only the GTX is a Muscle car. (In my "Purist") opinion.

I have had many Mopars A, B E, and C body but I will stick with my two favorites........

 

[Cojohnso1]

Never owed a C. I've had other Bs. I personally prefer B body over the other styles. It's certainly better balanced. The A-body is only quicker because it's lighter. Both A and E bodies don't corner that well. B- bodies corner alot better than they look.

 

[tnfastback]

Long But Interesting

Year Model Eng Trans Axle HP Torque 0-60 Quarter Mile Source
1962 Dodge Dart 413 413 3.91 410@5600 470@3600 5.8 14.4@101 mph MT 8/62

1962 Dodge Ramcharger 413 n/a 410@5400 460@4400 5.3 [email protected] Car Life 6/62

1962 Dodge Ramcharger 413 n/a 410@5400 460@4400 5.8 14.4@101mph MT 8/62

1962 Pontiac Grand Prix SD 421 4.30 405@5600 425@4400 5.4 13.9@107mph MT 5/62

1963 Chevrolet Impala SS 409 n/a 409@6000 420@4000 6.3 14.9@98mph MT 7/63

1963 Dodge Ramcharger 426 Factory Racer 426 4.56 425@5600 480@4400 n/a 12.00@117mph MCR 1987 Annual

1963 Ford Galaxie 500 406 n/a 405@5800 444@3400 7.0 15.3@93mph Car Life 3/62

1963 Pontiac Grand Prix SD 421 n/a 405@5600 425@4000 6.0 14.3@103mph Car Life 3/62

1964 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 283 3.08 220@4800 295@3200 8.5 16.6 no trap speed C&D 11/63

1964 Dodge 426 Hemi 426 n/a 425@6000 480@4600 n/a 11.40@125mph MCR no date

1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt 427 427 n/a 425@6000 480@3700 n/a [email protected] B.Leal at 1964 NHRA Nats

1964 Plymouth Belvedere 426 Wedge 426 3.91 365@4800 470@3200 6.8 [email protected] MT 1/64

1964 Pontiac GTO 389 3.23 325@4800 428@3200 6.9 [email protected] R&T 3/64

1964 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 3.23 348@4900 428@3600 5.7 [email protected] R&T 3/64

1965 Buick Grand Sport 401 3.36 325@4400 445@2800 6.8 [email protected] C&D 1966

1965 Buick Grand Sport 401 3.36 325@4400 445@2800 7.8 16.6@86mph MT 5/65

1965 Dodge Coronet 426 Street Wedge 426 3.55 365@4800 470@3200 7.9 15.4@89mph Car Life 5/65

1965 Dodge Coronet Hemi 426 3.54 425@5000 490@4000 5.3 13.8@104mph C&D no date

1965 Dodge Dart GT 273 3.23 235@5200 280@4000 8.2 16.9@87mph C&D 2/65

1965 Ford Mustang 289 Hi Po 289 4.11 271@6000 312@3400 7.5 15.7@89mph Sports Car Graphic 8/64

1965 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-350 289 3.89 306@6000 329@4200 6.5 14.9@95mph C&D 5/65

1965 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 330 3.23 345@5200 355@3600 7.8 15.5@84mph Car Life 5/65

1965 Plymouth Barracuda 273 3.23 180@4200 260@1600 9.1 [email protected] C&D 10/64

1965 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 4.11 360@5200 424@3600 5.8 14.5@100mph Car Life 5/65

1966 Buick Gran Sport 401 n/a 325@4400 445@2800 7.6 [email protected] MT 12/67

1966 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 3.65 360@5200 420@3600 6.0 [email protected] mph C&D 3/66

1966 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 3.65 360@5600 420@3600 6.0 [email protected] C&D 3/96

1966 Chevrolet Nova SS (L79) 327 3.31 350@5800 360@3600 7.2 15.1@93 mph Car Life 1966

1966 Chevrolet Nova SS L79 327 3.31 350@5800 360@3600 7.2 15.1@93 mph Car Life 1966

1966 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-350 289 3.89 400@6000est n/a 6.2 14.0@92mph Car Life 7/66

1966 Nova SS L79 327 3 spd 3.73 350@5800 360@3600 7.2 15.1@93 mph Car Life 5/66

1966 Oldmobile 4-4-2 ( Tri Power setup) 400 n/a 360@5000 440@3600 n/a [email protected] MT 6/66

1966 Oldmobile 4-4-2 ( Tri Power setup) 400 360@5000 440@3600 n/a 14.8@97mph Car Life 8/66

1966 Plymouth Barracuda 273 3.23 235@5200 280@4000 9.1 17.6@81mph C&D 6/66

1966 Pontiac GTO 389 3.08 335@5000 431@3200 6.8 15.4@92mph Car Life 5/66

1966 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 4 spd 3.55 360@5200 424@3600 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1966 Pontiac GTO ( Tri Power) 389 n/a 360@5200 424@3600 7.0 [email protected] MCR 6/95

1966 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 3.55 360@5200 424@3600 6.5 14.05@105mph C&D 3/66

 

[Cojohnso1]

I just watched a Saturday morning "Motor Trend" show. Where they road tested a few cars. Comparing some of today's and yesterday cars. The 2001 Corvette 5 obviously cornered the best. The 2009 Camero and simular Challenger struggled. Then they ran a base 68 Charger. Everyone was laughing. But afterwards the test driver came out of car saying. "This thing corners alot better than I thought." It had some body roll. But nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[tnfastback]

1967 Buick Gran Sport 400 3.36 340@5000 440@3200 6.6 15.2@95mph MT 4/67

1967 Camaro SS 350 3.31 295@4800 380@3200 7.8 [email protected] mph C&D 11/66

1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS 350 3.31 295@4800 380@3200 7.8 [email protected] mph C&D 11-66

1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 396 4 spd 4.11 325@4800 410@3200 6.0 14.5@95mph MT 5/67

1967 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 3.70 290@5800 290@4200 6.7 14.9@97mph C&D 3/67

1967 Chevrolet Corvette 427 4spd 4.11 435@5800 460@4000 5.6 [email protected] MT 4/97

1967 Dodge Charger Hemi 426 3.23 425@5000 490@4000 6.4 [email protected] Car Life 2/67

1967 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 3.23 375@4600 480@3200 6.3 [email protected] Hot Rod no date

1967 Dodge Coronet R/T Hemi 426 3.23 425@5000 490@4000 6.8 15.0@96 mph MT 6/67

1967 Ford Failrlane 500 427 4 spd 4.11 425@6000 480@3700 n/a 14.0@102mph Hot Rod 7/66

1967 Mercury Cyclone GT (factory tweaked) 390 4.11 335@4800 427@3200 n/a [email protected] C&D 3/66

1967 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 400 3.08 350@5000 440@3600 7.8 15.8@91mph C&D 12/6

1967 Plymouth Satellite Street Hemi 426 3.54 425@5000 490@4000 5.3 13.8@104mph C&D 4/66

1967 Plymouth Satellite Street Hemi 426 3.23 425@5000 490@4000 7.1 14.5@95mph Car Life 7/66

1967 Plymouth Barracuda 383 3.23 280@4200 400@2400 6.8 15.4@92mph C&D 4/67

1967 Plymouth GTX 440 3.23 375@4600 480@3200 6.0 14.4@98mph C&D 11/66

1967 Plymouth GTX Hemi 426 3.23 425@5000 490@4000 4.8 13.5@105mph C&D 11/66

1967 Ponitac Firebird 400 400 3.90 325@4800 410@3400 5.8 14.4@100mph C&D 3/67

1967 Pontiac GTO RA 400 auto 3.90 360@5400 438@3800 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1968 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (2x4V) 302 4.10 290@5800 290@4400 5.5est 13.75@107mph Hi Perf Cars 1968,

1968 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 4 spd 3.55 375@5600 415@3600 n/a 13.60@105mph Pop Hot Rodding 6/68

1968 Chevrolet Nova SS 396 3.55 375@5600 415@3600 5.9 [email protected] mph C&D 8/68

1968 Chevrolet Nova SS 396 396 3.55 375@5600 415@3600 5.9 [email protected] C&D 8/68

1968 Dodge Charger 440 n/a 375@4600 480@3200 7.2 14.4@98mph Hot Rod 10/67

1968 Dodge Charger R/T Hemi 426 3.91 425@5000 490@4000 6.0 13.54@101mph MCR no date

1968 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 n/a 375@4600 480@3200 6.0 [email protected] MCR no date

1968 Dodge Coronet R/T (Convertible) 440 3.23 375@4600 480@3200 6.6 [email protected] mph Car Life 4/68

1968 Dodge Dart GTS 340 3.91 275@5000 340@3200 6.0 14.4@99mph C&D 9/68

1968 Dodge Dart GTS 340 3.23 275@5000 340@3200 6.3 [email protected] Car Life 9/68

1968 Firebird 400 RA II 400 auto 4.11 340@4800 445@2900 n/a [email protected] mph MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1968 Ford Mustang 428 CJ 428 4 spd 3.70 335@5200 440@3400 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1968 Ford Mustang 428 CJ 428 n/a 335@5200 440@3400 n/a [email protected] Hot Rod 3/68

1968 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-500KR 428 3.50 335@5200 440@3400 6.9 [email protected] Car Life 10/68

1968 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500KR CJ 428 auto 3.00 335@5200 440@3400 n/a [email protected] MCR 12/95

1968 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 400 3.91 360@5400 440@3200 6.3est [email protected] Car Craft no date

1968 Plymouth GTX 440 3.23 375@4600 480@3200 6.8 [email protected] Car Life 2/68

1968 Plymouth GTX Hemi Convertible 426 3.23 425@5000 490@4000 6.3 [email protected] Car Life 2/68

1968 Plymouth GTX Hemi Convertible(Slicks) 426 4.56 425@5000 490@4000 n/a [email protected] Car Life 2/68

1968 Plymouth GTX Hemi Convertible(Slicks) 426 4.30 425@5000 490@4000 n/a [email protected] Car Life 2/68

1968 Pontiac GTO RA II 400 n/a 366@5400 450@3800 7.4 14.19@98 mph MCR 6/95

1968 Pontiac GTO Ram Air II 400 4.33 360@5400 445@3800 6.5 [email protected] MT 2/68

1969 AMC AMX 390 N/A 3.15 315@4600 425@3200 6.6 14.8@95mph C&D 3/68

1969 AMC AMX 390 4 spd 3.54 315@4600 425@3200 6.9 14.40@91 mph Hi Performance Ann 1969

1969 AMC Javelin SST 390 auto 3.15 315@4600 425@3000 n/a [email protected] C&D 3/68

1969 AMC SC/Rambler 390 3.54 315@4600 425@3200 6.3 [email protected] C&D 5/69

1969 AMC SC/Rambler 390 n/a 315@4600 425@3200 6.3 [email protected] Car Life 5/69

1969 Buick Grand Sport 400 2.93 340@5000 350@4800 7.7 15.9@89 mph MT 1/69

1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 427 n/a 425@5600 460@4600 5.2 12.76@107 mph MCR 1987

1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 427 n/a 425@5600 460@4400 5.2est 12.76@107mph MCR 1987 Annual

1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 427 n/a 425@5600 460@4400 n/a [email protected] Hi Perf Cars 8/69

1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 4 spd 3.73 375@5600 415@3600 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 n/a 375@5600 415@3600 n/a [email protected] mph Car Life 5/69

1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 4.88 375@5600 415@3600 n/a [email protected] Supercar Annual 1969

1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396 396 4 spd 3.73 375@5600 415@3600 n/a [email protected] MCR 12/97

1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS Pace Car 350 auto 3.31 300@4800 380@3200 8.0est 16.0@88mph est MT7/96

1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 4 spd 4.10 290@5800 290@4200 7.4 15.1@95mph R&T 12/91

1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 427 n/a 425@5600 460@4600 n/a [email protected] Hi Perf Cars 8/69

1969 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 3.55 325@4800 410@3200 5.8 [email protected] mph C&D 1-69

1969 Chevrolet Nova SS 396 3.55 375@5600 415@3600 5.8 [email protected] mph Hot Rod 7/69

1969 Chevrolet Nova SS 396 396 3.55 375@5600 415@3600 5.8est [email protected] Hot Rod 7/69

1969 Dodge Charger 500 Hemi 426 3.55 375@4600 480@3200 5.7 [email protected] Car Life 4/69

1969 Dodge Charger 500 Hemi 426 3.23 375@4600 480@3200 5.7 [email protected] Car Life 4/69

1969 Dodge Charger 500 Hemi 426 4 spd 4.10 375@4600 480@3200 n/a 13.48@109 mph Hot Rod 2/69

1969 Dodge Charger 500 Hemi 426 Auto 3.23 375@4600 480@3200 n/a [email protected] Hot Rod 2/69

1969 Dodge Charger Daytona 440 n/a 375@4600 480@3200 n/a [email protected] Road Test 12/69

1969 Dodge Charger Daytona Hemi 426 3.54 425@5000 490@4000 6.0 13.9@101mph C&D 12/69

1969 Dodge Super Bee 383 3.55 335@5200 425@3400 5.6 [email protected] C&D 1/69

1969 Dodge Super Bee Six-Pack 440 4.10 390@4700 490@3600 6.3 [email protected] Car Life no date

1969 Ford Cobra 428 CJ 428 auto 3.91 335@5200 440@3400 n/a [email protected] MCR 12/97

1969 Ford Fairlane Cobra 428 428 3.50 335@5200 440@3400 5.6 [email protected] C&D 1/69

1969 Ford Fairlane Cobra 428 428 3.50 335@5200 440@3400 7.3 [email protected] Car Life 1/69

1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302 302 4 spd 3.91 290@5800 290@4300 6.9 14.9@96mph R&T 12/91

1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 3.91 375@5200 450@3400 7.1 [email protected] Car Life 7/69

1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 3.91 375@5200 450@3400 n/a [email protected] Hi Perf Cars 9/69

1969 Ford Mustang GT 500 428 4 spd n/a 335@5400 440@3400 n/a [email protected] Musclecars 5/95

1969 Ford Mustang Mach I 428 CJ 428 auto 3.91 335@5200 440@3400 n/a [email protected] Car Life 3/69

1969 Ford Mustang Mach I 428 CJ 428 n/a 335@5200 440@3400 n/a [email protected] mph Car Craft 8/69

1969 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-350 351 2.75 290@4800 385@3200 8.0 [email protected] Car Life 2/69

1969 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-500 428CJ 428 3.91 335@5200 440@3400 5.5 [email protected] Car Life 3/69

1969 Ford Torino Talladega 428 428 3.50 335@5200 440@3200 6.8 14.2@101mph Special Interest Auto 2/86

1969 Mercury Cougar 428 CJ 428 auto 4.30 335@5200 440@3400 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1969 Mercury Cyclone 428 CJ 428 3.91 335@5200 440@3400 5.5 [email protected] C&D 1/69

1969 Mercury Cyclone 428 CJ 428 4.11 335@5200 440@3400 6.1 [email protected] MT 8/69

1969 Mercury Marauder X-100 429 3.25 360@4600 480@2800 7.8 16.0@86mph C&D 12/68

1969 Mercury Marauder X-100 429 2.80 360@4600 480@2800 7.5 [email protected] Car Life 4/69

1969 Oldsmobile Hurst 455 3.90 380@5000 500@3200 5.9 [email protected] MT 6/69

1969 Oldsmobile Hurst 455 n/a 380@5000 500@3200 n/a [email protected] Pop Hot Rodding 8/69

1969 Plymouth Barracuda 440 3.55 375@4600 480@3200 5.6 [email protected] Car Life 6/69

1969 Plymouth Roadrunner 440 six pack 440 4.10 375@4700 490@3600 n/a 13.09@111mph Super Stock 6/69

1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a 425@5000 490@4000 n/a [email protected] C&D 1/69

1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a 425@5000 490@4000 n/a 13.38@108mph Super Stock 1/69

1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a 425@5000 490@4000 n/a 13.52@106mph Super Car Annual 1969

1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a 425@5000 490@4000 n/a [email protected] Rodder & Super Stk 5/69

1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a 425@5000 490@4000 n/a [email protected] MT 2/69

1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Hemi 426 n/a 425@5000 490@4000 n/a [email protected] Car Craft 1/69

1969 Plymouth Super Bee Six Pack 440 auto 4.10 390@4700 490@3200 n/a [email protected] mph MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 400 3.55 335@5000 430@3600 6.5 [email protected] Sports Car Graphic 4/69

1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 345@5400 430@3700 5.6est [email protected] Hot Rod 1969

1969 Pontiac GTO Judge RA IV 400 3.90 370@4600 445@3900 5.7 13.20@104mph MCR no date

1969 Pontiac GTO Judge RA IV 400 3.55 370@4600 445@3900 6.2 [email protected] Car Life 3/69

1969 Pontiac GTO Judge RA IV 400 3.90 370@5500 445@3900 6.6 [email protected] MCR 6/95

1969 Pontiac GTO RA III 400 n/a 366@5100 445@3600 7.4 [email protected] MCR 6/95

1969 Pontiac Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 345@5400 430@3700 n/a [email protected] Hot Rod 3/69

1969 Pontiac Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 345@5400 430@3700 n/a [email protected] Road Test 7/69

1969 Pontiac Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 345@5400 430@3700 n/a 14.17 no time Car Life 4/69

1969 Pontiac Trans Am RA IV 400 3.90 345@5400 430@3700 n/a 14.2@99mph C&D 2/93

1970 AMC AMX 390 3.54 325@5000 420@3000 6.6 14.68@92mph MT 12/69

1970 AMC Rebel Machine 390 3.91 340@5100 430@3600 7.0 [email protected] Road Test 5/70

1970 AMC Rebel Machine 390 n/a 340@5100 430@3600 6.4 14.4@99mph MT 11/69

1970 Buick Gran Sport(Stg 1) 455 3.64 360@4600 510@2800 5.5 [email protected] MT 1/70

1970 Buick Gran Stage I 455 4 spd 3.64 360@4600 510@2800 n/a [email protected] MCR 12/95

1970 Buick GSX 455 n/a 360@4600 510@2800 n/a [email protected] Car Craft 7/70

1970 Buick GSX 455 360@4600 510@2800 n/a 14.0@103mph Hi Perf Cars 10/70

1970 Buick GSX Stage 1 455 3.64 360@4800 510@2800 6.2 14.0@103mph Hi Perf Cars 10/70

1970 Chervolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 4 spd 4.10 450@5600 500@3600 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (LT1) 350 4.10 360@6000 380@4500 5.8 [email protected] C&D 5/70

1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 LT1 350 4 spd 3.73 360@6000 380@4000 7.0 [email protected] Car Craft 5/94

1970 Chevrolet Chevelle LS6 454 n/a 450@5600 500@3600 n/a 13.20@106mph Super Stock 5/70

1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS5 454 3.31 360@4400 500@3200 6.0 14.20@100 mph MCR no date

1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 n/a 450@5600 500@3600 5.5 [email protected] mph MCR no date

1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 4 spd 4.10 450@5600 500@3600 n/a [email protected] MCR 12/95

1970 Chevrolet Nova COPO 350 4 spd 4.10 360@6000 380@4000 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1970 Dodge Challenger Hemi 426 4 spd 3.54 425@5000 490@4000 n/a [email protected] Musclecars 5/95

1970 Dodge Challenger Hemi SE 426 4 spd 4.10 425@5000 490@4000 6.3 [email protected] Car Craft 11/69

1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Six-Pack 440 3.23 390@4700 490@3200 6.0 13.62@104mph Car Craft 11/69

1970 Dodge Challenger T/A 340 3.55 290@5000 340@3200 5.8 14.3@99mph MCR no date

1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 302 3.91 290@5800 290@4300 6.5 [email protected] Car Life 9/69

1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 302 3.91 290@5800 290@4300 8.1 15.8@90mph MT 4/70

1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 4 spd 3.91 375@5200 450@3400 n/a 14.45@99mph Autodriver 2/70

1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 4 spd 3.91 375@5200 450@3400 n/a [email protected] Car Life 7/69

1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 4 spd 3.91 375@5200 450@3400 n/a [email protected] Super Stock 6/69

1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 302 4.30 290@5800 290@4300 7.6 15.8@90mph Car Life 4/70

1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 302 3.91 290@5800 290@4300 n/a [email protected] Road Test 9/69

1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 455 auto 3.91 370@5200 500@3600 n/a [email protected] MCR 12/95

1970 Oldsmobile F-85 W-31 350 3spdA 3.91 325@5400 360@3600 n/a [email protected] Hot Rod 4/70

1970 Plymouth Barracuda 440 Six Pack 440 3.55 390@4700 490@3200 5.9 14.04@100mph MT 5/70

1970 Plymouth Barracuda 440 six pack 440 auto 4.10 390@4700 490@3200 n/a [email protected] MCR 12/97

1970 Plymouth Barracuda AAR 340 3.55 290@5000 340@3200 n/a [email protected] Car Life 7/70

1970 Plymouth Barracuda AAR 340 3.55 290@5000 340@3200 5.8 [email protected] C&D 7/70

1970 Plymouth Barracuda Hemi 426 4.10 425@5000 490@4000 6.9 [email protected] MT 9/69

1970 Plymouth Barracuda Hemi 426 4 spd 3.54 425@5000 490@4000 n/a 13.10@107mph Car Craft 1970

1970 Plymouth Barracuda Hemi 426 n/a 425@5000 490@4000 n/a [email protected] Car Craft 11/69

1970 Plymouth Duster 340 340 3.23 275@5000 340@3200 6.2 [email protected] Car Life 3/70

1970 Plymouth Roadrunner Superbird 440 n/a 375@4600 480@3200 n/a [email protected] Road Test 4/70

1970 Plymouth Roadrunner Superbird Hemi 426 3.23 425@5000 490@4000 4.8 13.5@105mph C&D 1970

1970 Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 400 3.07 330@4800 430@3000 6.4 [email protected] C&D 6/70

1970 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am RA IV 400 3.73 345@5400 430@3700 5.7 [email protected] C&D 6/70

1970 Pontiac Grand Prix SJ 455 4 spd 3.31 370@4600 500@3100 n/a [email protected] High Performance Cars ND

1970 Pontiac GTO 455 auto 3.55 360@4300 500@2700 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1970 Pontiac GTO RAIV 400 auto 3.90 370@5500 445@3900 n/a [email protected] MCR 12/97

1970 Pontiac GTO 455 HO 455 3.31 360@4300 500@3000 6.6 [email protected] C&D 1/70

1970 Pontiac GTO Judge RA IV 400 auto 3.90 370@4600 500@3100 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1970 Pontiac Trans Am RA III 400 4 spd 3.55 345@5000 430@3400 n/a [email protected] MCR 12/95

 

[Ranger16]

That list is a mix of gross and net horsepower ratings. Most U.S. automakers before 1971 or 1972 preferred to quote the more generous gross figures. Net figures might appear in shop manuals, technical papers, or other factory literature, but rarely showed up in advertising.

Probably true, but the point is, that they all started loosing the "muscle" starting about '71/'72. I haven't researched it, but I'm sure the same would hold true for the Road Runner, GTX, Charger, GTO, (insert your choice here). By '75/'76, the muscle car era was finished. Now that doesn't include todays HP/torque ratings. I would not want to put my Road Runner up against one of todays 4 banger rice burners. THAT is a whole different story and I don't think they are in the "muscle car" category.

 

[33 IMP]

Do you include cobra-jet rancheros, and big block El Camino and GMC sprints? Or are they trucks?

 

[tnfastback]

And it goes on through 1998 models

 

[moparnation74]

Never owed a C. I've had other Bs. I personally prefer B body over the other styles. It's certainly better balanced. The A-body is only quicker because it's lighter. Both A and E bodies don't corner that well. B- bodies corner alot better than they look.

I am B body pride and true........Each has its pluses and minuses.....I am just an all around Mopar type of guy...

Explain your "purist" side? Do you have an original car? If so lets see some detailed pics......We all like some eye candy...

 

[Cojohnso1]

I am B body pride and true........Each has its pluses and minuses.....I am just an all around Mopar type of guy...

Explain your "purist" side? Do you have an original car? If so lets see some detailed pics......We all like some eye candy...

No. I have no "All original" But my Cuda build has a sick motor. (Not completed) But should be a solid 8 sec car.

 

[tnfastback]

Then there was this

 

[DeltaV]

Never owed a C

You need to get a '70 or '71 Fury I state patrol car with a 440. The '69 440 Polaras are nothing to sneeze at either.

 

[moparnation74]

No. I have no "All original" But my Cuda build has a sick motor. (Not completed) But should be a solid 8 sec car.

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Then I'm lost on the purist aspect.......

On a related note....Here is the Baddest of all C bodies......I wish they made more of them but this is C body MUSCLE at its finest....Yes, it was produced by Chrysler and only a few GT's with six packs were made...

 

[Cojohnso1]

Then I'm lost on the purist aspect.......

On a related note....Here is the Baddest of all C bodies......I wish they made more of them but this is C body MUSCLE at its finest....Yes, it was produced by Chrysler and only a few GT's with six packs were made...


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I didn't invent the term "Muscle car". And I personally prefer cars that are already altered so upgrading is not a sin. But they all were born pure factory.

 

[Sahara]

I’m glad to see mustangs off the original list, but I’d have to add the Boss 429. And the AMC Rebel Machine.
It’s not just a horse power thing, there’s a certain image, or attitude.

 

[Cojohnso1]

The point of the post is that the term "Muscle car" is thrown around way too much.

 

[moparnation74]

I didn't invent the term "Muscle car". And I personally prefer cars that are already altered so upgrading is not a sin. But they all were born pure factory.

Who said it was a sin?....Not me, I have owned race cars so?.....In our hobby "purist" is referred to originality......

Another term thrown around too much, lol

 

[Cojohnso1]

The Boss mustang was tough to keep off. They stuffed one bad *** motor into a pony car. But motor is not the defining factor.

 

[tonysrt]

It's true the 60's & 70's made muscle, but the humble beginning of the 55 Chrysler 300 set the stage for things to come. It continued with the 56 Fury, 57 & 58 Fury. Of course Dodge had the D500 and Desoto had the Adventure. I had a 58 Fury with the 350 B engine and 2 4 Bbls.. When I bought it it had 72000 miles and I put over 400 miles every weekend driving from Dover, Del. to NY. I could beat any 327 Chevy back in the day and my car had about 100000 miles on it. I quit driving it at 147000 miles and bought a new 68 Roadrunner hardtop, 4 speed & 383. Boy did I love that car. So I think 55 was the beginning of the Muscle car and the GTO just sent it in a different direction, lighter car and big motor. And the argument continues.