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My tail fuse keeps blowing

eltigrez

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69 superbee
Rallye dash

My 20A tail fuse keeps blowing when I turn the headlight switch from off to either park or on. Both positions will blow the fuse
I have disconnected the rear taillight harness
I have disconnected the parking lights
Cig lighter works and will not blow the fuse when used
I pulled the cluster out and have tied the ammeter wires together so I can check cuircits
When I install a new fuse I have power to the end of the pink wire which attaches to terminal B2 on the headlight switch until I turn the switch on and then it blows
Black wire to terminal B1 on the headlight switch is powered regardless of switch position or fuse.
Rotary wheel dimmer is not hooked up at this time
WHAT NOW...
 
Try unplugging your headlight harness at the firewall. I am wondering if maybe you have a short in one of your front running lights. That is about the only place left.
 
Did you smell anything when this was going on? Any smoke?


Isolate the part of the car that has the short. If you were working on the dash start there...Disconnect & Isolate....Something might being grounding out within the dash...Which are the blown fuse? track down their application..A poor instrument panel ground can cause voltage limiter problem....

if you have the body harness disconnected and you still blow fuses, the problem is under the dash or the door/dome light switches. With the harness disconnected and no blown fuses, pull the interior and follow the wires till a problem area shows up.

Trouble Shooting Book.......

If a circuit is overloaded, meaning beyond the preset amount of amps labeled on the fuse, the fuse blows (or opens the circuit) to protect the wires from breaking down and burning. To cure this problem, lighten the electrical load on the circuit by removing things connected to the circuit until the fuse holds.

An electrical short can be from the hot wire to ground or a hot wire to neutral. In either case, the fuse will open and shut the circuit off. To find this problem is a little more complicated, but start with the easiest solutions and work backwards to the fuseconnection. Start by finding the affected circuit that is off and what is connected to it.


The 15-amp fuse protects #14 or larger wire, the 20-amp fuse protects #12 or larger wire, and the 30-amp fuse protects #10 or larger wire.


Finding an electrical short can be one of the most frustrating and time consuming problems in owning an antique vehicle (or any vehicle for that matter). But where do you start to isolate the cause of the problem?
Here's the scenario: Everyday or two you have to jump start your car because the battery has drained down to the point where the car won't start.

As with all scenarios, we have to make some assumptions. We have to assume that your battery is good and was fully charged, that your charging system is good, that you are not blowing fuses or fusible links, that you did not leave any lights on (interior, glove box, under-hood, etc.) and that you did not leave your car's ignition in the "run" position with the engine off. If all these were checked, you probably have something that is drawing enough power to drain the battery (short?), but not sufficient enough to blow a fuse or fusible link in a protected circuit.

Let's try to locate the possible short. If you have a test light (easily obtained at any auto part's store) disconnect the negative battery cable from the battery. Connect the lead from your test light to the negative battery cable and connect the other end of your test light to the negative battery post. An assistant or 2 small hose clamps will help hold your test light in place. (An ammeter (not a voltmeter) will be a more accurate substitute for a test light assuming you can read an ammeter. Normal constant draw on the battery is about 200ma.)

On your test light, you may get:
1.) No light. This means no power draw (no problem) or a bad connection on your test light (fix & re-try).

2.) A quick flash of the light, then nothing. This may be normal as the capacitors in the electronics charge up.

3.) Constant light. This is probably what most people will see. Whether you have a problem or not. Small devices like clocks, radio displays, etc. will constantly draw a SMALL amount of power and cause the test light to dimly glow. This is normal. If your test light glows very bright, you have a problem with something drawing too much current.

Keep the car doors closed (or the door jamb switches depressed) and remove the under-hood light bulb.

First, disconnect all wiring to the alternator(the main cable and one/two plugs). If the test light glows dim or is off completely, you've found a problem. There's an internal fault in the alternator. This can happen even if the system is charging the battery. Have your local auto parts store bench test your alternator and repair or replace if necessary.

If your test light still glows bright, start by pulling each fuse, one at a time. With each fuse pulled, watch the test light. If it goes dim or off, you've probably isolated the harness (engine harness, dash harness, forward lamp harness, etc.) causing the problem. If the test light still glows bright, re-insert the fuse and remove the next fuseand watch the status of the test light. If after removing all the fuses, your test light still glows bright, then disconnect each fusible link, one at a time. NOTE: If you think you've found the harness or circuit causing the problem, it is wise to complete the test and remove every fuse, one at a time, noting the test light status. It can be a compound problem spanning multiple harnesses.

Once the specific harness is isolated, you now need to locate the specific circuit within that harness causing the problem. Find out what the involved fuse(s) are for and trace it from there. A wiring diagram is extremely helpful here, but common sense can find many problems without a diagram. The most likely culprits are bad switches to the interior lights (to include the trunk & glove compartment.
 
Great explanation, very helpful too. Just once thing to clarify. You said
"The 15-amp fuse protects #14 or larger wire, the 20-amp fuse protects #12 or larger wire, and the 30-amp fuse protects #10 or larger wire". I think you are correct, but I think you may have meant to say higher gauge (higher number = smaller diameter) wire.

This should read:
The 15-amp fuse protects #14 or smaller diameter wire
the 20-amp fuse protects #12 or smaller diameter wire
and the 30-amp fuse protects #10 or smaller diameter wire.
 
Great explanation, very helpful too. Just once thing to clarify. You said
"The 15-amp fuse protects #14 or larger wire, the 20-amp fuse protects #12 or larger wire, and the 30-amp fuse protects #10 or larger wire". I think you are correct, but I think you may have meant to say higher gauge (higher number = smaller diameter) wire.

This should read:
The 15-amp fuse protects #14 or smaller diameter wire
the 20-amp fuse protects #12 or smaller diameter wire
and the 30-amp fuse protects #10 or smaller diameter wire.

Nope it's correct the smaller the wire the lower the fuse is rated so you could go larger with wire.
 
guess you're right - the larger the diameter of the wire, the lower the resistance; and the larger diameter carries more current, is that the way to think about it?
 
You have it backwards, as Pops accurately noted, the smaller number is larger diameter wire.
 
electrical wiring is the same thing as needles; 26 gauge needle is tiny, 18 medium, and 12 gauge is large = ouch!

large diameter = less resistance = small number or smaller gauge wire.
 
guess you're right - the larger the diameter of the wire, the lower the resistance; and the larger diameter carries more current, is that the way to think about it?
Yea that's it
 
Try unplugging your headlight harness at the firewall. I am wondering if maybe you have a short in one of your front running lights. That is about the only place left.

2X. It's also a good opportunity to inspect the bulkhead terminal. There's also the "lights on warning buzzer" on that circuit which is part of the dash harness.
 
Thanks,
I GOT SMOKE
When I put the new fuse in and turn the light switch on, the fuse doesnt pop instantly it slowly heats up the filament turns red melts. The end of the fuse lead that has both the pink wire to the headlight switch and the red wire to the cig lighter is the end that smokes.
It blows the fuse with or without the instrument cluster in the car.
At the headlight switch connector there are are only two hot leads. The pink if the fuse isnt blown B2 and B1 a black that stays hot regardless of the fuse.
Im thinking the black B1 that feeds the headlights may be the issue
 
I just installed a headlight harness with relay from
rodtique. Now my Lights are way more bright; I took before/after videos to see if I could tell the difference. It's a huge difference.
 
You mentioned that you disconnected the parking lights. If you just unplugged the parking light housings, unplug the entire light harness at the bulkhead terminal.
Bulkhead.jpg
 
Great explanation, very helpful too. Just once thing to clarify. You said
"The 15-amp fuse protects #14 or larger wire, the 20-amp fuse protects #12 or larger wire, and the 30-amp fuse protects #10 or larger wire". I think you are correct, but I think you may have meant to say higher gauge (higher number = smaller diameter) wire.

This should read:
The 15-amp fuse protects #14 or smaller diameter wire
the 20-amp fuse protects #12 or smaller diameter wire
and the 30-amp fuse protects #10 or smaller diameter wire.
But this is not necessarily true in automotive wiring, that is correct in household wiring. How long are your household runs? 50-100ft maybe even more, how long are your runs in a car... 15ft max with most being much less. Resistance is not only determined by size but length, you would be amazed how many amps 3ft of 12 gauge can handle, not 20 but probably more like 50.... according to this graph 100!!!

If you go by the standards being quoted your definitely safe, overkill. I only bring this up so when you see an itty bitty wire carrying a somewhat large load you have some understanding... this isn't a house.
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'Pops' & 747mopar hit a homerun. 2 great explanations for a sticky!
 
Appears to be in my front marker lights. Disconnected the harness from the firewall and the fuse held. Ohmed the wires. .5 on the 200 ohm setting on the meter. Dont see any melted or bad connections
 
Unplug the wire that goes into to U terminal and the fuse holds
 
Appears to be in my front marker lights. Disconnected the harness from the firewall and the fuse held. Ohmed the wires. .5 on the 200 ohm setting on the meter. Dont see any melted or bad connections

Did you remove the bulb? If you are checking the + lead to ground and looking for continuity (or a short to ground), you must remove the bulb. Using an ohm meter you will always read continuity to ground through the bulb's element.
 
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