Maybe heard the time wrong, but......
Nasty plane crash in S. Korea
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Slide and crash. I don't understand, but the black box will hopefully answer some questions.
This potentially affects anyone who flies on 737's at this point. It is not a Korean thing.
torredcuda
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I have been binge watching Youtube plane crash videos recently and it`s amazing and scary all the simple things that go wrong and careless/dumb/incompetant pilot mistakes. A bird strike by itself should not have caused too much of an issue and landing gear should drop even without hydrolics functioning. They have checklists to follow but they may not have done them correctly but there may have been a lot more going on and they did the best they could? The wall at the end of the runway was what made it a lot worse than it could have been, I wonder who`s bright idea it was to have that there?
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"The Boeing 737-800 is one of the world’s most commonly used airplanes, and it has a strong safety record."
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/30/jeju-air-crash-boeing-737-800-common-aircraft.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/30/jeju-air-crash-boeing-737-800-common-aircraft.html
Going back about 20 years now, I was working on an Industrial carpark gate when I heard a loud explosion a few miles away. It was an Air New Zealand 747 taking off behind me - about 3-4 miles as the crow flies. I turned immediately and saw a big black cloud of smoke behind one engine.
Turns out it was a bird strike - and the plane obviously wasn't going far, as it circled around and landed - with full Emergency Crew in attendance.
The TV crews were out there crawling all over the place not long after. It was a big deal, but nobody was injured fortunately.
Turns out it was a bird strike - and the plane obviously wasn't going far, as it circled around and landed - with full Emergency Crew in attendance.
The TV crews were out there crawling all over the place not long after. It was a big deal, but nobody was injured fortunately.
Usually when they land gear up they put it in the dirt to stop the plane from sliding off the end of the runway. This is what happens when you have an airport located in a city with no room for emergency situations. 737-800 a/c are used by everyone all over the world so there is a maintenance problem with that airline. The landing gear will deploy with no power on the a/c at all, so someone screwed something up. When we did gear changes in ATL on all a/c we would deploy the gear manually as part of the gear checkout after change on all a/c.
The crash below occurred 4.5 miles from my home. I went from a very deep sleep to hyper awake a split second after impact. The rolling thunderous noise from the explosion and fire was tremendous. The sky was glowing dull red. It was horrible.
Crash of a Douglas DC-9-33RC at Carswell AFB: 2 killed | Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Archives
Prayers for the crew above; and their families.
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Prayers for everyone in South Korea.
Crash of a Douglas DC-9-33RC at Carswell AFB: 2 killed | Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Archives
Prayers for the crew above; and their families.
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Prayers for everyone in South Korea.
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Google street view of the dirt? berm the plane smashed into.
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Sounds like the engine is still spooled up...
torredcuda
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and a cement block wall not far past it and the same block wall at the other end as well.
Another thing that can't happen is the engine thrust reverser deploy with the gear up as it takes a signal from the weight on wheels system before the thrust reversers will deploy, so there is no way to slow the plane down with no gear.
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U.S. airplane maker Boeing has been plagued by safety incidents in the past couple of years, including most recently the loss of a wheel from the landing gear during takeoff of a United Airlines Boeing 757-200 in Los Angeles in early July as well as the loss of a door plug on a Boeing 737 Max 9 of Alaska Airlines taking off from Portland in January.
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Boeing, 737's have a HUGE string of recent issues experienced by USA and European pilots in the last 2 years alone. 2 recent involved Southwest Airlines and There are known Quality issues and several times the 737 max has been grounded. Why would other models fare differently? Boeing is not what it once was. Recent events that come to mind are the doors blowing off mid-flight and several 737's where the aircraft unexpectedly and suddenly descended from elevations > 30K feet to below 5000 ft before pilots regained control. No thanks. The unfortunate thing is that Boeing and Airbus are the only large commercial aircraft manufacturers around. Yes, I know the stats - thousands and thousands of flights and only a few mishaps, so don't worry. The percentage may be low, but the number of passengers affected is not. I've flown a lot, but lately it feels like a gamble every time.
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But in this case it seems that the pilot was adequately trained; having air force experience, 6,800 hours of flight time including 2,500 as a captain. In addition, Captain Han himself previously worked as an instructor.
As for training, Jeju trains their pilots with the Canadian company CAE, probably the world's largest company training pilots both civil and military. Many US, European and Canadian operators train their pilots with the same company.
Now, whether the runway itself was compliant could be a different story. ICAO standards and recommended practices says "Deleathalisation of (normally) buried vertical faces to structures in the Runway End Safety Area (RESA) is required at certified airports."
Hard to tell from videos available - but it seems the full length of runway was used just sliding at maximum speed.
torredcuda
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There is another video more from the front left that shows it landed well past the start of the runway.
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"Pilot error is the number one cause of aviation accidents." Along ATC mistakes, with improper maintenance, weather etc. Plane Crash Reasons: What Factors Cause Airplane Crashes?
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Out of all the ones with known causes listed very few are issues with the aircraft design/engineering or build quality. I worked in the aerospace industry as a machine shop inspector for a few years during my career and learned a lot about the procedures to insure safety. One of my instructors told some good stories about things he saw back in the `70s- `80s - we have come a long way in regards to safety/training/regulation since then. List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 737 - Wikipedia
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