Need help! Weiand 6bbl intake does NOT fit under my 70 N96 hood. Options?

[Hemirunner]

If I could find a tall cowl hood of the required height that resembles the power bulge on the 70, with a flat top vs some peak line down the middle, I could incorporate a N96 type Air Grabber door and maybe use the A12 fresh air setup or a hybrid air box?

Have Glasstek make you a bolt on, extra tall AG hood from fiberglass. What’s a couple grand to get what you want?

 

[Hemirunner]

Like this company offers: View attachment 957952
http://www.up22.com/RoadRunner70.htm

I have their rear bumper. It’s one step up from “unuseable”.

 

[biomedtechguy]

I have their rear bumper. It’s one step up from “unuseable”.

They, and other companies, have different levels of hood, race and heavy duty, that have different finish levels.
I appreciate the heads up.

 

[33 IMP]

I have their rear bumper. It’s one step up from “unuseable”.

How long ago did you get that bumper? There was a change of ownership of Unlimited, and the word is that their quality has really improved. I'm wondering if the "word" is correct.
Edit: fortunately they are local to me, and anything I buy from them I can inspect first, and won't have to be shipped, no shipping damage excuse.

 

[Hemirunner]

They, and other companies, have different levels of hood, race and heavy duty, that have different finish levels.
I appreciate the heads up.

I’ve read where their quality varies. This is a race weight bumper but it’s ruffff lol

 

[Hemirunner]

How long ago did you get that bumper? There was a change of ownership of Unlimited, and the word is that their quality has really improved. I'm wondering if the "word" is correct.

2017 ish

 

[biomedtechguy]

So through the course of this thread, once again thanks to my "forum family", I have settled on one of 2 very similar options:
A higher than stock "power bulge" or "cowl" as another descriptive term hood, with adequate width in the cowl to accommodate the factory oval 6bbl air cleaner, and adequate height as well. I will get an Air Grabber square air door installed, in the appropriate location, and probably use the A12 base and hood seal to make it functional.
Preference is natural "black/gray" carbon fiber, or fiberglass with a satin black finish. If I can't or don't do the natural carbon fiber thing, I may copy the stripe pattern on a fiberglass cowl hood that I have now.
So that's the objective, now I need to know who can provide the solution.
Suggested providers welcome.
Thanks to all of you!

 

[Frustration]

Bio, I have a '69 RR with the stock height 6bbl, lift off hood. That Weiand tunnel ram with the standard air cleaner fit under the stock height scoop...barely. It would not fit with the spacers. I think your RR would look good with the '69-style lift off hood. Before you do that though, you may want to play with that tunnel ram first. Like you, I read everything there was, and got suggestions from those that ran it, but in the end, it got shelved for a stock, aluminum six bbl intake. I'd hate to see you go to all that trouble, then get frustrated and go back to the stocker. I'm sure the Weiand can be made to work, but my stocker runs as smooth as a slant-6, but accelerates like a beast. Went 11.24 @119 last weekend through the mufflers on street tires. Pretty tame 496. Good luck!

 

[Jerry Hall]

Bio, I have a '69 RR with the stock height 6bbl, lift off hood. That Weiand tunnel ram with the standard air cleaner fit under the stock height scoop...barely. It would not fit with the spacers. I think your RR would look good with the '69-style lift off hood. Before you do that though, you may want to play with that tunnel ram first. Like you, I read everything there was, and got suggestions from those that ran it, but in the end, it got shelved for a stock, aluminum six bbl intake. I'd hate to see you go to all that trouble, then get frustrated and go back to the stocker. I'm sure the Weiand can be made to work, but my stocker runs as smooth as a slant-6, but accelerates like a beast. Went 11.24 @119 last weekend through the mufflers on street tires. Pretty tame 496. Good luck!

I agree, don't waste any money until you know that intake you have is going to work for you.

 

[Budnicks]

So through the course of this thread, once again thanks to my "forum family", I have settled on one of 2 very similar options:
A higher than stock "power bulge" or "cowl" as another descriptive term hood, with adequate width in the cowl to accommodate the factory oval 6bbl air cleaner, and adequate height as well. I will get an Air Grabber square air door installed, in the appropriate location, and probably use the A12 base and hood seal to make it functional.
Preference is natural "black/gray" carbon fiber, or fiberglass with a satin black finish. If I can't or don't do the natural carbon fiber thing, I may copy the stripe pattern on a fiberglass cowl hood that I have now.
So that's the objective, now I need to know who can provide the solution.
Suggested providers welcome.
Thanks to all of you!

keep us updated

& I know you will

 

[biomedtechguy]

I agree, before I buy a hood for the Weiand, I've got to see what it's like.
I'm trying to plan ahead. It's only been since Sunday when I finally got around to checking the fit, and boy was I disappointed. Even if I don't use the Weiand on my current motor, I'm going to keep it for now, because of the stroker I have planned. Then too, I'm waiting for "moselyme" to get his A body Barracuda on the road so I can see how awesome (I expect) his F&B 3x2 EFI DPI Weiand setup works on the RB stroker he has built.

 

[69 GTX]

I'd definitely install it and see how it runs before you do anything hood wise. I've heard those intakes can be very finicky on the strip, let alone the street. I've seen pictures of small dams installed inside to get the correct flow they wanted.

 

[biomedtechguy]

I'd definitely install it and see how it runs before you do anything hood wise. I've heard those intakes can be very finicky on the strip, let alone the street. I've seen pictures of small dams installed inside to get the correct flow they wanted.

Like I said in my opening statement, I have read everything on the internet about it, emailed back and forth with the one guy who has pix featured on the Victory Library, where after a thorough description of the intake and its history, his unique mods are pictured. I was surprised to hear back from him.
One of the most important things is I've spoken with a forum member who has run one, street mostly, for 10 years!
I absolutely will see how it works with my current mill, and if they don't play well together (I have my Inovate Motorsports dual wideband O2 system installed to aid in tuning) I'll hold off on any hood to accommodate it, but I am going to keep the Weiand as I plan on using it on my 540 stroker.
I can still lay the groundwork for a hood to accommodate the Weiand in the meantime.
Thanks

 

[69 GTX]

I would think a 540 cu in would be too big for the 6 bbl carbs. Your talking a 100 cu in bigger than a 440. You may have to use a 500 cfm center carb at min.
Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[Hemirunner]

I would think a 540 cu in would be too big for the 6 bbl carbs. Your talking a 100 cu in bigger than a 440. You may have to use a 500 cfm center carb at min.
Good luck and keep us posted.

It definitely holds a big engine back but it’ll still have neck snapping torque. The 500 center carb would be a good compromise. Swapping to a single 4 setup would get more HP and more useable rpm.

 

[biomedtechguy]

It definitely holds a big engine back but it’ll still have neck snapping torque. The 500 center carb would be a good compromise. Swapping to a single 4 setup would get more HP and more useable rpm.

I'm not suggesting that the 500 cfm center carb, couldn't add some performance, but would that require the mechanical outboard carbs as well?
Also I have read a number of posts from 6bbl guys who didn't see any or much better kick with the 500 vs 350 center carb.
In 4bbl cfm terms, the factory 6bbl flows around 975 cfm IIRC, and that can feed a stroker 540, especially with the flexibility of tuning available through the Promax mods. I'm going to have plenty of power, and I definitely want to stick with a 3x2 setup. I think that if my choice was the Promax modded Holley carbs I have now vs a mechanical outboard "1500 cfm" setup, and I know someone who says he has that trio in "new condition", or just swinging for the fence with the F&B direct port injection 3x2 setup, I'd go from the Promax modded Holley carbs I have now straight to the F&B. I don't see that happening any time soon. Nothing but a 3x2 intake is going to feed whatever is under my hood while I have this car.

 

[stage3]

i had the old direct connection 6 pak carbs on my 71 barracuda a few years ago, they are mechanical secondarys instead of vacuum, all carbs have accelerator pumps, they are great! huge improvement over the stock vacuum units, no waiting for the proper rpm to open up, basicly u have a triple pumper, actual flow with both the vacuum and mechanical units are in the 900 range. thats what i would be looking at with your set up.. my 2 cents.

 

[biomedtechguy]

This is what started my borderline madness, and this isn't the only setup like this "out there". I think this is setup to flow 2,400 cfm. Funny thing is that the short throttle bodies may actually fit under my current N96 hood...

 

[HawkRod]

This is what started my borderline madness, and this isn't the only setup like this "out there". I think this is setup to flow 2,400 cfm. Funny thing is that the short throttle bodies may actually fit under my current N96 hood...
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Obviously, it is your car and you do what you want, but in my opinion the N96 Air Grabber hood on my 70 Road Runner is a non-negotiable item. When I upgraded my engine to a 500 stroker motor, I took careful measurements to ensure it would all fit and work with the stock Air Grabber. There was a manifold that in theory would have been better on my car, but it would not fit, so I didn't use it. I'd rather lose a few horsepower and still have the hood than the other way around. Just my 2 cents.

By the way, here is where I was doing some of the measurements for my upgrade in case you are interested.
https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/threads/hawk-rod-the-tune-up.183169/#post-911422657

Hawk

 

[biomedtechguy]

Hawk, believe me, I "get it" regarding the N96 hood! As I posted, my car isn't an original N96 car, and it IS a real V-code, but I knew early on that "factory nut and bolt correct" restoration was not the route I had any interest at all in. With the list of things wanted and needed, and many of those boxes about to be checked off by the round of work coming up starting June 10th, you can see the N96 hood was checked off 2 years ago. I still have to finish gathering components, but the Weiand AND the N96 is the combo I'd like. If that eventually means a taller power bulge/cowl hood, so be it.
I'll check out the linked thread. Thanks.
This is for BOTH of us: