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steve from staten island

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Dont ask me how but i broke one of the segments off one one of my oil rings. Everything went together perfect but installing the last piston something was not right. I found a piece off the ring broke and i must have did it when i put the ring on originally. The pistons are 30 over and im wanting to know if i can buy just one set of rings???? Thanks
 
Dont ask me how but i broke one of the segments off one one of my oil rings. Everything went together perfect but installing the last piston something was not right. I found a piece off the ring broke and i must have did it when i put the ring on originally. The pistons are 30 over and im wanting to know if i can buy just one set of rings???? Thanks

I'd figure out how exactly it broke...was it not fully on the piston when driven into the bore? Was there any other damage that may've occurred, like scratching the cylinder wall?

Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your question, just concerned.

As far as buying individual pieces of a ring kit, I haven't been successful in doing so in my experience, but that doesn't mean it can't be done.
 
Where did you buy the rings?? Maybe they can hook you up with a single:icon_winkle:
 
You can buy single sets, but at a higher price. If you can't find someone to sell you a single, PM me, and I will.
 
I'd figure out how exactly it broke...was it not fully on the piston when driven into the bore? Was there any other damage that may've occurred, like scratching the cylinder wall?

Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your question, just concerned.

As far as buying individual pieces of a ring kit, I haven't been successful in doing so in my experience, but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

What happened was this. I bought a motor that was rebuilt,it has new pistons,re-conditioned rods,is 30 over and has the crank cut .010. New cam,bearings timing chain,i got it from a guy at work for 300 hundred. The motor had been stored in his garage and although wraped up was filthy dirty and needed to be taken apart again cleaned lubed and checked. I had to bust one of the rings when i took the ring off the piston to check the end gap. I was going to have a shop do this block but money is a issue and i decided to do it myself as i now have more time. The guy at the shop which did my heads has a excellent rep and he did comment he didn't care for my rings and wanted to change them. So now im thinking maybe i'll just get a new set. My next question would be what you guys recommend for a stock motor. Either way thanks for the help
 
The machinist can help you as cylinder surface makes a big difference if rough just cast rings and if smooth enough moly rings

after every thing is clean scrub cylinders with soap and water with a good brush dry and re oil

good luck
 
Yes you can buy a single set. It's called a W pack, or it was years ago. Any automotive machine shop can get it but you will want something to go off of, like the old set.
 
If the top and second ring outer face are the same, it is a cast set. If the top ring is dark top & bottom with a matte silver outer face, it should be a moly set, if the top ring is silver top & bottom with a shiny outer face, it should be a chrome set.
 
If the top and second ring outer face are the same, it is a cast set. If the top ring is dark top & bottom with a matte silver outer face, it should be a moly set, if the top ring is silver top & bottom with a shiny outer face, it should be a chrome set.

Not quite. Cast rings are dark,moly are lighter colored. Even if the top and second are the same color a top and 2nd ring are different. Look at the chamfer on the inner edge top or bottom. Cast rings won't last long and cost less.
Doug
 
Not quite. Cast rings are dark,moly are lighter colored. Even if the top and second are the same color a top and 2nd ring are different. Look at the chamfer on the inner edge top or bottom. Cast rings won't last long and cost less.
Doug

Doug, please re-read my post as I think you have misunderstood what I said. A cast ring set will be the same color on the first and second ring; dark. A moly set will have a dark second ring with a lighter shiny outer facing., and a chrome set will have a dark second ring (cast) with a silver matte upper/lower side, and a shiny outer face.

A moly ring is a ductile iron ring with a coating of moly, which is porous, in order to trap oil and maintain ring lubrication. There are many different ring configurations for materials and coatings, I was just explaining some generalities. As far as the shapes go, I never said that the top and second ring are exactly the same. I was merely pointing out the colors to materials/types of ring you normally see.

Cast rings seat quickly because they are not as hard as the top ductile iron and steel rings used in top rings. Most second rings are cast as they are only a backup to help seal the chamber and keep oil in the pan. So the quicker they seat, the better they will perform. The top ring takes all of the abuse, so it is wise to have a ductile iron ring (harder), or a steel ring (imports). The moly coating holds oil to reduce cylinder wear under the extreme conditions which the ring lives. High temps, and high pressures. When the mixture fires, the top ring is pushed down, and the gas moves behind it, pushing the ring out into the cylinder wall, creating a pressure seal. This is why the cylinders were so much at the top of the piston travel.

Oil rings have been made in many different configurations over the years, from one piece, to two oil rings, to two rails with an expander. anyway, hope some of this helps someone understand the differences with rings.
 
I stand corrected. In my haste I misread your post.
Doug
 
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