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PCV hose date codes

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Does anyone know if the PCV hose for the A12 cars has multiple date codes on the Gates PCV hose or did they just use one for the production of those cars?
I see a G01029 which is early 1969 on Year one site. Just wondering if there was different ones as well?
Thanks!
 
The G01019 hose that you are referring to is a product that the company that I am associated with that provides the hoses to Year One, Classic Industries, Frank Badalson and most other vendors. We only date stamp the following dates: 01019-January 1, 1969; 01010-January 1, 1970; 07018-July 1, 1968; 07019-July 1, 1969; 07010-July 1, 1970; 07011-July 1, 1971. These hoses are licensed as an "Authentic Restoration Product" and are subject to Chrysler deeming them to be correct as such.
I know of at least two other individuals that may be stamping the hoses on as a requested basis. Both offer a very nice product, but are doing them under the radar so as not to have the attention of Mopar and their lawyers. The problem is that the product was supplied by the vendor Gates, but the part number / date coded as viewed by Chrysler is property of Mopar, thus we pay them the license fees.
Technically, the hose was produced each day of the week and thus could be dated for any given date of that year. The date procedure was month, date and year. For example, A12 cars were pretty much from very late April to early June of 69. Thus a 426 A12 car would more than likely have something dated very late March to Mid April. It is so difficult to find an original car that has not been tinkered with to document this. Some people are of the opinion that the hose was not stamped. I know that I have accumulated NOS hose for the purpose of duplicating the stamping, but that does not validate that the car came that way.
Believe me that even these very low mileage cars as claiming to be 100% original have had parts interchanged through the years so as to make the particular car or another car more appealing to the clicques that these cars move around in.
As a suggestion to get a more correct hose to fit within your time frame, we offer a hose without a date code. It is a thinner wall hose, but retains all of the correct markings as of the date coded variety. Take this and have a rubber stamp made up with a date code to correspond to the production date of your car.
If you have any questions, drop me a private message.
 
The G01019 hose that you are referring to is a product that the company that I am associated with that provides the hoses to Year One, Classic Industries, Frank Badalson and most other vendors. We only date stamp the following dates: 01019-January 1, 1969; 01010-January 1, 1970; 07018-July 1, 1968; 07019-July 1, 1969; 07010-July 1, 1970; 07011-July 1, 1971. These hoses are licensed as an "Authentic Restoration Product" and are subject to Chrysler deeming them to be correct as such.
I know of at least two other individuals that may be stamping the hoses on as a requested basis. Both offer a very nice product, but are doing them under the radar so as not to have the attention of Mopar and their lawyers. The problem is that the product was supplied by the vendor Gates, but the part number / date coded as viewed by Chrysler is property of Mopar, thus we pay them the license fees.
Technically, the hose was produced each day of the week and thus could be dated for any given date of that year. The date procedure was month, date and year. For example, A12 cars were pretty much from very late April to early June of 69. Thus a 426 A12 car would more than likely have something dated very late March to Mid April. It is so difficult to find an original car that has not been tinkered with to document this. Some people are of the opinion that the hose was not stamped. I know that I have accumulated NOS hose for the purpose of duplicating the stamping, but that does not validate that the car came that way.
Believe me that even these very low mileage cars as claiming to be 100% original have had parts interchanged through the years so as to make the particular car or another car more appealing to the clicques that these cars move around in.
As a suggestion to get a more correct hose to fit within your time frame, we offer a hose without a date code. It is a thinner wall hose, but retains all of the correct markings as of the date coded variety. Take this and have a rubber stamp made up with a date code to correspond to the production date of your car.
If you have any questions, drop me a private message.
All original hoses on cars I have ran across were blank....I believe most if not all lost their markings due to obvious reasons...The ole PCV hose debate continues.....I went through this with a couple folks about the hose on my GTX both claiming the "no marking" defense. I have seen the NOS hose you're referring the obvious markings.....

Has anyone seen the gates hose with white markings?

Any chance of a pic of the non dated hose you are offering?
 
I have not seen any Gates hose with a white ink, always the yellow.. "KV" and "EB" was generally white. Not to be changing the subject, but has anyone documented "EB" fuel line hose? It seems that from all of the samples that I have sourced, it was more of a 68 to early 70 thing. Starting sometime in the 70 production cycle the "KV" came along and then the "-KV-". We have started the tooling to make the "EB" fuel line, but I would feel better with more knowledge to support our development.
Justin, I am with you as most of the hoses through the years faded in color. I know from NOS originals, they were not the bright white that we know now. I still have some of the original hoses that came off of Mom and Dad's Charger. The ink on some of them are so faint that it is difficult to make out the lettering.
I will get some pictures of the hose sections that feature the date code and the non date coded variety. It will probably be Monday before I can get them posted.
 
I have not seen any Gates hose with a white ink, always the yellow.. "KV" and "EB" was generally white. Not to be changing the subject, but has anyone documented "EB" fuel line hose? It seems that from all of the samples that I have sourced, it was more of a 68 to early 70 thing. Starting sometime in the 70 production cycle the "KV" came along and then the "-KV-". We have started the tooling to make the "EB" fuel line, but I would feel better with more knowledge to support our development.
Justin, I am with you as most of the hoses through the years faded in color. I know from NOS originals, they were not the bright white that we know now. I still have some of the original hoses that came off of Mom and Dad's Charger. The ink on some of them are so faint that it is difficult to make out the lettering.
I will get some pictures of the hose sections that feature the date code and the non date coded variety. It will probably be Monday before I can get them posted.
Richard

Sounds great PM those pics when you get a chance....I have a picture of the "EB" hose...I will hunt for it....and PM it to you....IIRC it was on a 69 car....

Your pop's car had to be in nice shape for that hose to exhibit that...Very cool indeed! and extremely rare to find...
 
Fortunately, Mom and Dad do not throw away very much. It is kinda of ironic that I would be using assembly line parts removed from the family car in reproducing parts for these cars that I remember as a child hanging out at the dealership thinking about how neat they were. I still remember sitting on the front porch steps waiting in anticipation of my Dad and my cousin bringing home the A12 Bee or when the dealership gave Dad a Charger to drive home to pickup my Mom, sister and myself so we could go back and view the Charger that the dealership was prepping for Dad to purchase. I have been very blessed in being able to grow up during that time and experience those events.
Justin, if you need samples, let me know as I can get them to you.
 
Fortunately, Mom and Dad do not throw away very much. It is kinda of ironic that I would be using assembly line parts removed from the family car in reproducing parts for these cars that I remember as a child hanging out at the dealership thinking about how neat they were. I still remember sitting on the front porch steps waiting in anticipation of my Dad and my cousin bringing home the A12 Bee or when the dealership gave Dad a Charger to drive home to pickup my Mom, sister and myself so we could go back and view the Charger that the dealership was prepping for Dad to purchase. I have been very blessed in being able to grow up during that time and experience those events.
Justin, if you need samples, let me know as I can get them to you.
I love to hear stories as such..what an awesome upbringing.....And imagine an A12 bee brand new pulling up, nice! Take a new charger home to pick the family up, lol....neat story..

I would like to get some sample from you.....
 
OK...all good stuff as always. I'm posting a picture of what I believe to be the original PCV hose on my A12 survivor
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car. I need to replace it due to cracking and would like to keep it close as possible to the original date code.
 
I have no knowledge of this car and not wanting to upset the apple cart, but I personally do not believe that this is an assembly line hose. A couple of things to note on the hose is as follows:
1. The date code, just like us for our reproduction hoses, we use a date code of 01019 for a January 1, 1969. Yours was a 01029 for a January 2, 1969. I would personally believe that it would be something like 03289, for March 28, 1969.
2. Look at the stenciling, the hose is pulled through a reel that places that lettering at a prescribed distance. If you look at a factory hose, the lettering is generally more consistent. The stencil on each strike is usually consistent as it fits the profile of the hose precisely and supplies the same amount of ink on each strike. If you look at the "SAE40R3L", you will see areas typically associated with hand stamps. It is very difficult to hand stamp the hose as it is round and most hand stamps are flat which leads to the rocking motion which leaves areas not covered uniformly.
3. The actual date code is a different Font size than the other lettering on the hose. From what I have seen and been around, the lettering was the same font size. I have seen some of the Ford applications that used the same hose that used as I recall a smaller font for the date code.
4. I have looked at the "Butter Bee" and the 5600 mile R4 Bee and only on the Butter Bee is there a very short section of hose with the "SAE 40R3L" still visible on the hose. This section was at the nipple to the carb.
I know for the hose stenciling that we do, we are able to purchase either Gates or Goodyear hose in bulk with no stenciling and ribs. Depending upon the application, we have the tooling to duplicate the ribs in the various hoses and similar stenciling machines which can have the stenciling head swapped out to allow different date codes. Back in the day, manufactures would have a series of "blanks" which would represent the different characters to do the desired date code. Different plants from the same manufacture will often times have a distinguishing way to identify the product from a particular vendor. That is the reason for the ribbing or the different number of dots on rubber bumpers.
Again, I am not hear trying to throw stones, but just expressing my views and hopefully help others to learn more about the cars. You can never say never as Mopar was not quite as bad as American Motors as doing the absurd, but we in the Mopar world are still way behind in the GM and Ford restoration field. But through the efforts of people digging and searching for answers, we are quickly catching them and bringing highly restored cars to shows that can compete heads up with the best of the GM and Ford marquees.
Please continue to post pictures and questions as this is the way that we all learn and improve upon what we currently know.
 
I have no knowledge of this car and not wanting to upset the apple cart, but I personally do not believe that this is an assembly line hose. A couple of things to note on the hose is as follows:
1. The date code, just like us for our reproduction hoses, we use a date code of 01019 for a January 1, 1969. Yours was a 01029 for a January 2, 1969. I would personally believe that it would be something like 03289, for March 28, 1969.
2. Look at the stenciling, the hose is pulled through a reel that places that lettering at a prescribed distance. If you look at a factory hose, the lettering is generally more consistent. The stencil on each strike is usually consistent as it fits the profile of the hose precisely and supplies the same amount of ink on each strike. If you look at the "SAE40R3L", you will see areas typically associated with hand stamps. It is very difficult to hand stamp the hose as it is round and most hand stamps are flat which leads to the rocking motion which leaves areas not covered uniformly.
3. The actual date code is a different Font size than the other lettering on the hose. From what I have seen and been around, the lettering was the same font size. I have seen some of the Ford applications that used the same hose that used as I recall a smaller font for the date code.
4. I have looked at the "Butter Bee" and the 5600 mile R4 Bee and only on the Butter Bee is there a very short section of hose with the "SAE 40R3L" still visible on the hose. This section was at the nipple to the carb.
I know for the hose stenciling that we do, we are able to purchase either Gates or Goodyear hose in bulk with no stenciling and ribs. Depending upon the application, we have the tooling to duplicate the ribs in the various hoses and similar stenciling machines which can have the stenciling head swapped out to allow different date codes. Back in the day, manufactures would have a series of "blanks" which would represent the different characters to do the desired date code. Different plants from the same manufacture will often times have a distinguishing way to identify the product from a particular vendor. That is the reason for the ribbing or the different number of dots on rubber bumpers.
Again, I am not hear trying to throw stones, but just expressing my views and hopefully help others to learn more about the cars. You can never say never as Mopar was not quite as bad as American Motors as doing the absurd, but we in the Mopar world are still way behind in the GM and Ford restoration field. But through the efforts of people digging and searching for answers, we are quickly catching them and bringing highly restored cars to shows that can compete heads up with the best of the GM and Ford marquees.
Please continue to post pictures and questions as this is the way that we all learn and improve upon what we currently know.

Well.....I find it hard to believe that this PVC hose was replaced when I bought the car in 1978 with one that was dated as shown in the attached picture.??
 
I agree with Richard.....The stenciling, font size and positioning are not representative of a factory line hose....It looks like someone hand stamped them.....As stated above they do hoses in a long run for production and the full markings including dates are done at the same time....There is no way the positioning and font size could be off like your hose above.....

Do you have the original heater hoses? I see a lot of service items that were replaced....but thats common to see on survivor cars......
 
I agree with Richard.....The stenciling, font size and positioning are not representative of a factory line hose....It looks like someone hand stamped them.....As stated above they do hoses in a long run for production and the full markings including dates are done at the same time....There is no way the positioning and font size could be off like your hose above.....

Do you have the original heater hoses? I see a lot of service items that were replaced....but thats common to see on survivor cars......

I do not have the heater hoses, those are long gone or I don't remember changing them. I just find it hard to accept that this PVC hose was replaced before 1978 with another hose that has those date codes. Back then, (late 70's) nobody gave a crap about date codes or originality back then. Let face it, these cars were not collectible till later years which started all the numbers matching and date code thing like we see today.
So, does that mean someone replaced this PVC hose with this current one before 1978 on a car with 26K miles?? I don't see a reason why it would be replaced at that time, can't image it was damaged and needing to be replaced at that time. Your guess is as good as mine.
 
I do not have the heater hoses, those are long gone or I don't remember changing them. I just find it hard to accept that this PVC hose was replaced before 1978 with another hose that has those date codes. Back then, (late 70's) nobody gave a crap about date codes or originality back then. Let face it, these cars were not collectible till later years which started all the numbers matching and date code thing like we see today.
So, does that mean someone replaced this PVC hose with this current one before 1978 on a car with 26K miles?? I don't see a reason why it would be replaced at that time, can't image it was damaged and needing to be replaced at that time. Your guess is as good as mine.
Find an example that proves yours is correct then.....

I only go by from what has been accurately documented.....I have been in the OE world for over 25 years....So your not speaking to a novice....

BTW people did not care but the factory did......the factory had a specific format and font and each plant had a variation.....but that variation was not in the format and font size as yours....

I understand thats the claim you want to support but without supportive evidence of this deviation....

Further research may prove otherwise.....Until then it is what it is.....
 
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