Price for 4-speed conversion?

[Sweet5ltr]

This title is a little deceiving, because I am the one who is wondering how much I could get-selling my entire four speed conversion/outright. I just ordered a rebuild kit from Mancini Racing but am unsure if I should keep the four speed or go with a manual valve body 727 auto with a 4,000 stall.

Back on topic, the 23 spline A833 will be completely rebuilt-with a 11" centerforce DFX clutch with less than 500 miles and a billet steel SFI approved flywheel with the same mileage. It would come with bell housing, Hurst competition plus shifter that is recently rebuilt and a new Hurst pistol grip shifter, Z-bar, etc.

What could I get out of all this, selling a complete kit? This is just an idea.. I love :3gears: but am just looking for something more 'part friendly' for the strip and also love the driving habits of a 'loose' converter. If you know anyone who may be interested in going to a four speed and is interested in swapping their built 727 setup for one; please feel free to shoot me a PM. Wouldn't be for a month or two, just something I am considering.

 

[djais1801]

i was days away from purchasing a 4spd setup from another member here when i found out my wife was pregnant w/twins so had to back out. but he was selling everything to convert except the hump for $1500. i found that to be extremely reasonable...+ shipping

 

[Budnicks]

I would say $1500 would be a deal for everything, for what you have bell housing clutch & flywheel w/a somewhat newish rebuild 833-23 spline 4spd, would that include the pedal assembly, linkages & drive shaft too ?? ... It's near $2500-$3k+ for everything, NEW, pieced out from Passion Performance or Brewers Performance... An 727 Auto with the right converter, bolt in sprag, aftermarket drums & clutches, interior parts & good manual valve body would be more consistent & probably easier on parts too, plus way better for track use... I wish I had the cash...

 

[Ron 73]

When i planned on doing a 4-speed conversion i had almost everything but the Pedal Assembly and that i remember was kind of pricey.. The shifter alone would bring some good change.. I agree with the 727, i think there almost as fun as the 4 speed to drive... especially with the right converter.. I had the 833 and B-housing, You have some good parts you listed and i wont guess to an amount because it depends a lot if someone wants to go thru all the changing.. I imagine the 833 all rebuilt would bring close to 800 ( i seen one hear for that amount), a BB bell housing is around 300 so your getting up there if you have the pedal assembly..

 

[dsd1967]

I'm in the process of doing the swap piecemeal style.....and it's adding up.

Tranny - 200
Rebuild Kit - 200
Used Shifter - 125
Shifter Insall Kit - 135
Hump - 100
Frame Bracket - 30
Pedal Assy - had it, but they're going for 200-250
z bar and linkage - 75
z bar pivots and rebuild kit 60
bell housing - had it but going rate is approx 300
flywheel - had it but going rate looks to be close to 150 - 200
clutch/pressure plate - have to get yet but between 300 and 400
cross member - had it but would expect to pay between 50 to 100
Firewall clutch pedal reinforcement bracket - $20

Adding it up is in the range of $2045 - $2195....so $1500 would be a heck of a deal, and $2000 would be a realistic starting point for an asking price.

Looking this over, the package deals from Brewers aren't too bad of a deal. The main benefits I got of piecemealing were that: I alread had a couple high dollar items, I was able to get some deals on others, and I could buy parts as I could afford them. The main barrier of entry for a package deal was the lump sum.

Hope that helps....if you don't plan on taking the stuff out of the car for future conversion (hump, pedals, frame bracket)....you can take off about $400 - $500 because that's what it will cost the purchaser to get those items.

 

[djais1801]

I'm in the process of doing the swap piecemeal style.....and it's adding up.

Tranny - 200
Rebuild Kit - 200
Used Shifter - 125
Shifter Insall Kit - 135
Hump - 100
Frame Bracket - 30
Pedal Assy - had it, but they're going for 200-250
z bar and linkage - 75
z bar pivots and rebuild kit 60
bell housing - had it but going rate is approx 300
flywheel - had it but going rate looks to be close to 150 - 200
clutch/pressure plate - have to get yet but between 300 and 400
cross member - had it but would expect to pay between 50 to 100
Firewall clutch pedal reinforcement bracket - $20

Adding it up is in the range of $2045 - $2195....so $1500 would be a heck of a deal, and $2000 would be a realistic starting point for an asking price.

Looking this over, the package deals from Brewers aren't too bad of a deal. The main benefits I got of piecemealing were that: I alread had a couple high dollar items, I was able to get some deals on others, and I could buy parts as I could afford them. The main barrier of entry for a package deal was the lump sum.

Hope that helps....if you don't plan on taking the stuff out of the car for future conversion (hump, pedals, frame bracket)....you can take off about $400 - $500 because that's what it will cost the purchaser to get those items.

that's my point though(respectfully)...if you can get a new package deal w/ customer service if there's a problem from brewers for a few hundred more vs. buying used stuff, personally..i'd pony up.
That's why I would assume it would have to not be in the ballpark of a new package deal...and be a great deal.

 

[Sweet5ltr]

I haven't looked over the package deal pricing from brewers. The Clutch was $400+ and the billet flywheel was around $300. Shifter was $200, just for the bar. Rebuild kit was pricey for the shifter (more than the transmission it seemed)! If you count in the cost of a bell housing, rebuilt A833 with 0 miles, with all new bearings, etc. The price gets up their! I may just keep the transmission, because I wouldn't part it out for less than I could purchase a 727 automatic that could handle 600HP! I noticed the TCI super street fighter. It seems to be a good deal, but it's still $1500 without the converter.. So I would have $2,400 into that by the time it is over with if I could find a used cheetah shifter, etc.. Love my four speed too much for that Thinking about purchasing a tall center 'pig' unit, to swap out for long trips! maybe somewhere around a 2.94-3.23 gear. Plan on taking it on the power tour..

 

[dsd1967]

djais1801 - I don't disagree with you on the used stuff. You are taking chances on wear items and don't know the overall condition of the tranny eihter....buyer be ware.

I just looked at a B-body package on Brewers, and they state starting at $3999. If a used package were available at $1500....it would be snapped up pretty quickly. I just think that $2000 would be a good starting point for the seller to leave room for negotiation....especially if they aren't hurting to get rid of it.

I'm lucky I had some of the high dollar items and was able to get some of the other stuff at resonable prices. However if I had to buy it all, I would have been at around $2100 with everything up to new/refurbished standards. If I count all the fuel and shipping I've put into getting these items....I could easily add another $500, and if I count all the extra "unnecessary" stuff I bought as package deals to get the items I want....there's another $500. Fortunatley I'm able to sell off some of the unnecessary stuff to offset some costs. That being said, a used full package deal at $2000 is still a reasonable starting point.

 

[Sweet5ltr]

djais1801 - I don't disagree with you on the used stuff. You are taking chances on wear items and don't know the overall condition of the tranny eihter....buyer be ware.

I just looked at a B-body package on Brewers, and they state starting at $3999. If a used package were available at $1500....it would be snapped up pretty quickly. I just think that $2000 would be a good starting point for the seller to leave room for negotiation....especially if they aren't hurting to get rid of it.

I'm lucky I had some of the high dollar items and was able to get some of the other stuff at resonable prices. However if I had to buy it all, I would have been at around $2100 with everything up to new/refurbished standards. If I count all the fuel and shipping I've put into getting these items....I could easily add another $500, and if I count all the extra "unnecessary" stuff I bought as package deals to get the items I want....there's another $500. Fortunatley I'm able to sell off some of the unnecessary stuff to offset some costs. That being said, a used full package deal at $2000 is still a reasonable starting point.

The brewers packages start out at $3,999 W/O taxes (+$280/FL), shipping, and the BARE MINIMUM parts for conversion. You would expect to spend $5,000 at a starting point, for everything you would need to handle a basic performance oriented application. I would NEVER go to a four speed, if I could purchase a T56 conversion for similar pricing. I would like the Passon performance 5-speed, if it ever becomes available and is SOMEWHAT affordable in the $3,000 dollar range. You might never come out on top with fuel prices, but it would just make the car much more enjoyable to drive.

 

[dsd1967]

Personally I think you would regret getting rid of any of the 4 speed stuff. If you want to play with the auto, box up all your 4 speed stuff and store it under a bench, push the clutch pedal to the floor, put an aftermarket floor shifter in and go have fun. Down the road you will probably want to go back rowing your own gears and will be glad that everything is still around.

I've been watching several sites on 4 speed stuff, and items like pedals, shifters, bellhousings, steering colums don't last long. I typically don't see too many auto trans parts going for a premium unless it's console shift related, or high performance related.

 

[djais1801]

Personally I think you would regret getting rid of any of the 4 speed stuff. If you want to play with the auto, box up all your 4 speed stuff and store it under a bench, push the clutch pedal to the floor, put an aftermarket floor shifter in and go have fun. Down the road you will probably want to go back rowing your own gears and will be glad that everything is still around.

I've been watching several sites on 4 speed stuff, and items like pedals, shifters, bellhousings, steering colums don't last long. I typically don't see too many auto trans parts going for a premium unless it's console shift related, or high performance related.

i agree...we like to think we're gonna keep our cars forever..and unfortunately sometimes we can't. Rather have the stuff boxed up in case you either change your mind later, or have a "curve ball" in life and sell with the car to get highest resale possible. just my .02

 

[sawdoff]

I know it was a helluva deal but i got a complete setup from a 68rr with a new carpet set, drive shaft and 70 column for $1200. Not to cast a shadow on your stuff but just giving an example

 

[Sweet5ltr]

I know it was a helluva deal but i got a complete setup from a 68rr with a new carpet set, drive shaft and 70 column for $1200. Not to cast a shadow on your stuff but just giving an example

That's a great price and you got a heck of a deal! I'm probably just going to rebuild the transmission (not that their is anything currently wrong) and keep on shiftin'. I would probably never live with myself, taking out a perfectly good four speed and replace it with a 'granny approved' automatic. Maybe in a Ford, but not in a Mopar.. Other good news is I was driving the car today and the MSD 6AL ignition died in the middle of the street. We had to tow the car back home. Love Mopars, but it seems like I am always replacing "new" parts! :angry9:

 

[sawdoff]

Sounds good keep rowing. Im probably going to rebuild an m22 muncie for my 67 chevelle before i swap the rr setup into my satellite. Then all the toys will be at least 4 spds.

 

[has2bmopar]

I was driving the car today and the MSD 6AL ignition died in the middle of the street. We had to tow the car back home. Love Mopars, but it seems like I am always replacing "new" parts! :angry9:

Was that the older analog box or the the new digital 6AL #6425?

I rebuilt a 440 for a friend and he put a new MSD 6AL digital box on his car, and when I went to do the initial startup, it had no ignition. Unplugged the distributor to test the box by jumping the pickup wires for a mock signal, and nothing.

The wiring is simple and correct, with full 12v to the ignition wire, and not hooked to the original 8ish volt + wire for the coil as their own instructions contradict. Also disconnected the tach to eliminate any possible rev limit issues.

MSD 6AL digital Box #2... Nothing... Pissed off, 2nd time getting fuel washing down new bores, so I hooked up the factory Mopar ECU, and it fired right up, and ran great.

MSD 6AL digital #3... Nope

MSD 6AL digital #4... ARE YOU FN KIDDING... Nope

He ordered an analog 6AL on Ebay "new", but obviously old stock, as they no longer make the analog units.

I was told the analog boxes had a good reputation... I hope that is true.

Another note... It says that you cannot use a variable timing light with this unit. I don't really think that will be an issue, as the POS things will never get ignition to your engine in the first place.