Race gas perfornance on pump gas?

[moparcanuck]

There is an article in Chrysler Power that talks about Snow Performance's water/methanol injection system for Six Packs. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about it.

http://www.snowperformance.net/product_images/magazine_article-pdf-130.pdf

 

[Mesopic]

I contacted snow performance about water/methanol injection on my six pack but they were a waste of time, had never heard of it no idea how to do it. Still very keen though please lets us know if you find out anything

 

[Propwash]

Summit sells the kits:

http://www.summitracing.com/search/brand/snow-performance/part-type/water-injection-systems?SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending&tw=snow%20p&sw=Snow%20Performance%20Water%20Injection%20Systems

No clue how it exactly ties all in, but now you guys got me wondering as well.

 

[wedgie]

Water injection is not a new idea. Snow has taken it into the 21st century, though, with all the controls. Now if you are looking for some major performance improvements for your six pack, I have a six pack nitrous system available.

 

[moparcanuck]

I contacted snow performance about water/methanol injection on my six pack but they were a waste of time, had never heard of it no idea how to do it. Still very keen though please lets us know if you find out anything

How can someone who works for a company not know anything about their products???? :laughing4:

 

[67 B-body]

Watched an episode on tv "one of the Sat morning Car shows", and they had the owner from that injection company on. They hooked up the system on a dyno engine , and out of the box,, it had less horsepower than the baseline pull.
After much tinkering, they were able to get some more power using the system, but without a dyno to get the thing tuned,,,, I doubt anyone would have good results!

 

[70bigblockdodge]

I think it is just to suppress detonation not be a power adder the only power it can give is you being able to run at full timing without pinging and knocking. The latent heat of vapoizasion being removed from air intake charge I.e. cooler charge, and the alchol increases the octane enough to help prevent detonation.

 

[Mesopic]

How can someone who works for a company not know anything about their products???? :laughing4:

They have no idea how to fix their product to a six pack application of our type (one primary two secondary) As they have never done it before. THEIR kit has not been used before. it is an untested kit and they were unable to provide the required knowledge about doing it. Also other companys sold similar kits for less then half the cost and were willing to help with information

 

[snakeoil24]

Methanol water Injection is only for Knock control.

 

[HEMI-ITIS]

Speak io Rodney at AIS,he's the man http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems....r-Methanol-Injection-System/product_info.html

His stuff will pick up power if your N/A or boosted:blob1:

 

[themechanic]

From wikipedia,

"A limited number of road vehicles with large-displacement engines from manufacturers such as Chrysler have included water injection. The 1962 Oldsmobile F85 was delivered with the Fluid-Injection Jetfire[5] engine, which, incidentally, shares the title of "the world's first turbocharged road car" with the Corvair Spyder. Oldsmobile referred to the water/alcohol mixture as 'Turbo-Rocket Fluid'. Saab offered water injection for the Saab 99 Turbo. With the introduction of the intercooler the interest in water injection almost disappeared, but recently water injection has also been of interest because it can potentially decrease nitrogen oxide (NOx) and carbon monoxide (CO) emissions in exhaust. However the most common use of water injection today is in vehicles with high performance aftermarket forced induction systems (such as turbochargers or superchargers); such engines are commonly tuned with a narrower margin of safety from detonation and hence benefit greatly from the cooling effects of vaporized water."

 

[moparcanuck]

Does anyone have real world experience with this?

 

[Supershafts]

Only seen meth work with F/A apps

 

[Kern Dog]

Only seen meth work with F/A apps

Walter White says different......

 

[Meep-Meep]

I don't think meth works





Themechanic beat me to the Olds Jetfire info. Problem with the Olds is that system was problematic when it was new - meaning the methanol delivery not necessarily the end result.

 

[fanucme]

I use it for cooling down my air intake charge on my supercharged Lincoln , I mix 50/50 water and methanol. It sprays in to the intake after the supercharger, Compressing the air makes it hot , almost 200 degrees , so I need to cool it down as much as possible to make any power , my car is fuel injected but cool air is good air even for a carbureted engine. I am assuming you have a cold air hood scoop with your 6 pack so it may not be a huge gain, typically just over ambient temp is what your engine is ingesting. The fuel vaporizing after the carburetor is doing the same thing (removing heat) as the alcohol/water mix does. most blown carbureted cars rely on that principle and it is why many use E85 (more alcohol more vaporization). Spraying the alcohol/water mix may improve power due to the alcohol burned as an additional fuel and also from cooling down the air charge. You may have to re-jet the carbs depending on how much you are spraying. Unless you are having detonation or ping I don't see the added cost versus running the premium fuel. Good Luck !

 

[moparcanuck]

I use it for cooling down my air intake charge on my supercharged Lincoln , I mix 50/50 water and methanol. It sprays in to the intake after the supercharger, Compressing the air makes it hot , almost 200 degrees , so I need to cool it down as much as possible to make any power , my car is fuel injected but cool air is good air even for a carbureted engine. I am assuming you have a cold air hood scoop with your 6 pack so it may not be a huge gain, typically just over ambient temp is what your engine is ingesting. The fuel vaporizing after the carburetor is doing the same thing (removing heat) as the alcohol/water mix does. most blown carbureted cars rely on that principle and it is why many use E85 (more alcohol more vaporization). Spraying the alcohol/water mix may improve power due to the alcohol burned as an additional fuel and also from cooling down the air charge. You may have to re-jet the carbs depending on how much you are spraying. Unless you are having detonation or ping I don't see the added cost versus running the premium fuel. Good Luck !

Thanks for the info. My Six Pack runs very well so I'm not going to change anything but was curious to see if this thing really worked. I use it more for pleasure than racing but sometimes the guy next to me at the light just has to be shut down. :icon_lol: