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Rape Outrage?

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If your any man at all you watch guard until she's conscious and make sure it never happens! Not enough men left in the world.

Just recently I was at a bar when this drunk woman (totally plastered) hits on my brother. Were not interested, so another guy moves in and eventually offers her a ride home. I respectfully get up and interrogate the guy, the girl and their friends. Turns out theyre all coworkers. She has a habit of this (shocker) so they take turns driving her home. In fact, he was nicely 'rescuing her' from us.

Fact is if this wasn't the case, I was prepared to stop him by any means necessary.

You're right. There just aren't enough real men out there, but thankfully there are a few left.
 
I disagree.-- We (as a group) are not missing the real outrage of this case. Many may have moved some from the initial topic but that is the nature of conversation.
The leading point of this case is that this jerk is getting preferential treatment and the primary reason it is in our faces.
He is a young white kid with athletic potential.
Your probably right about the kid being young white and athletic potential. If it was two black kids or two non discript white kids we'd never hear squat but some white hot shot kid and its all across America. My thoughts are this kid has all the potential of a serial sex abuser,he uses woman and has no respect for them. Decades ago we'd never hear this type of story because it was swept under the rug,you know boys being boys and she asked for it. I should know better but i'll tell you why. I was 19 she was almost 18 when we met. I was madly in love with her, i never laid a hand on her,she told me she loved me but i sensed a distance in her. Later on she told me. She was around 14 or 15 she was with a group and they started to drink,pass the bottle around. Two boys kept it up feeding her booze,don't recall if there were drugs or not. She became so out of it she told me she couldn't move. She knew what was going on like in a dream but couldn't react. These two 17 year olds each took turns with her. After they were done they left her like a discarded piece of meat. She never told anyone until she told me. I was young i didn't really get it, i should have encouraged her to get help. She seemed like she was over it and just mad but looking back i guess there was more going on......BTW after reading some of the replies here many of you are what real men are suppose to be
 
I agree with Steve 100%, and I could not disagree more with Bru. As a matter of fact, I can't even fathom how anyone could explain/justify this despicable gutter-rats conduct. I'd beat the livin' piss outta him.
 
Mainstream is too preoccupied with sex imo. We're force fed with it.....its nothing without Heart.
 
I'm with you on this. What should have been on his mind is whether or not she would wake up.

I prefer sex with women (woman) that consents. In college I've seen girls passed out a hundred times. Never had the desire to f one of them. Never wondered if they would wake up. But then, I guess I'm not a rapist.
 
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I prefer sex with women (woman) that consents. In college I've seen girls passed out a hundred times. Never had the desire to **** one of them. Never wondered if they would wake up. But then, I guess I'm not a rapist.


Been their myself. -- I think the big struggle we have is with the meaning of the word "rape" that all can understand.

Right and wrong are two easy words. As are good and bad.

When a mind starts to think about getting away with something It's the beginning of a problem.
 
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Yup, this kid is a rapist. I've also seen a bunch of girls get wasted at parties and never thought trying to screw them might be a good idea. And those girls were conscious. This dude is a f@cking rapist.

I was at a bar just a couple weeks ago with some of my guys from work.. girl gets wasted, drunk too-aggressive dude tries to take her away (home?.. back alley?). Long story short I made sure a couple of my guys got her out of there and into a cab with money and instructions to take her drunk *** home. That's the right thing to do.
 
My Mother was raped & murdered September 10, 1969....shot through the head, repeatedly stabbed, violated after death......guess i have a Dog in this hunt. I think this also makes a goddamned good case against alchohol being the legal drug. Alchoholic blackout is something i have too much personal experience with, sober 24 yrs now.
There is NO!! excuse for rape!! I dont care how much of a **** She may be....sick ******* ****.....and a creep who is essentially banging a dead person, non responsive.....this side of necrophilia. 20 minutes...20 yrs
WOW, sorry to hear Blade..... This kind of stuff just makes me sick to my stomach and makes me wish there was a death penalty for these creeps, it really is that sick of an offense!
 
simple solution : give the girls father a baseball bat and lock him in the boys cell for 5 mins ,then set boy free . done and dusted

if that's a bit harsh the boy can get pissed till he passes out beforehand :lol: father of three girls here :elmer:
 
WOW, sorry to hear Blade..... This kind of stuff just makes me sick to my stomach and makes me wish there was a death penalty for these creeps, it really is that sick of an offense!
Appreciate the Nod 747....one foot in front of the other....have to deal with hand dealt. I gotta voice a Feeling.....someone that would do an unconcious Woman i find to be the Creepiest, most balless of the pieces of ****....just to get ones dick wet......is this the primal msg that society delivers......of all the stuff in life to do, that sex is so ******* hammered in, just a ******* obsession thay pervades over all else.....otherwise **** wouldnt be as ubiquitous as it is. In my twenties, i had fun, was hangin with different Girls, enjoying a Good run, but i got jaded real quick, the conquest thing just became a little ridiculous, paled, too much too fast...one became like the next, And, i started realizing, no matter what people say they can handle, casual sex wise, most cant, somebody often ends up scarred, i saw myself contributing to that, i was laying waste some, and i didnt like myself, i learned kwik about Married Women too, bad ******* juju.....sexual conquest is so ******* drilled into young males's heads, and there's so much more to life. By the time i reached 30, not able to find a Special One....see getting laid wasnt a problem, but finding someone to build on a Dream with....that wasnt coming together.....i quit....sex doesnt mean **** without Love. Last 4 mos ive been conversing on line. My point is sex is way the **** overdone, if it wasnt ingrained into young males that sexual conquest be the model of Manhood, maybe there wouldnt end up being so many pieces of **** with no ******* self control.
 
I'm with you Bud. This guy has no morals. Regardless of how it went down, this guy was not drunk enough IMO to realize what he was doing. Stanford should be ashamed if they keep this jerk!
 
I had a discussion last night with Dan, a Navy buddy of mine, and he said "the guy's is at fault because he's an entitled prick!" I found that kinda funny because I don't drink alcohol. Aside from a sip of beer at age nine, and a hot totty my Dad made for me when I was 12 and had bronchitis, I've never touched the stuff. Being the non-drinker, I was always choice numero uno for designated driver/navigator/bail out guy for most of my fellow sailors and contractors. I was also an SP while aboard the USS Saratoga, so I got to see drunk behavior without any filters, and what I told Dan is "the concept of an 'entitled jerk' applies no more to drunks than does 'consenting adult' because when you guys are drunk you are all entitled jerks!" Drunks all think they're smarter, better looking, wittier, better dancers, better athletes, tougher, richer, braver, and better people than they are, and when they sober up they all believe they weren't as bad as they were too... but they were.

Dan also said "I've been very drunk a lot of times, but I've never raped a woman!" My first response was "how the **** would you know if you had or hadn't? How many times have you woken up in a room in Rota (Spain) or Sig (Sicily) and not had any idea where you were at, how you got there, or who you were in bed with?" I asked that because I've gotten far more than one call to go out and retrieve a squadron mate who woke up at some stranger's house to a woman who was screaming at them and going to call the cops. I remember well the case of one E-3 OS who called me in a panic because he had some woman, who turned out to be married to a Navy Commander (O-5), who took him home from a bar while smashed, panicked when she woke up, and started calling the police. Chuck was terrified and ran out the door with half his uniform on, and left behind his hat with his name in it. For the next three years he lived in terror that this commander would track him down!

My second response to that statement was to point out that I know a lot of guys who've gotten drunk and not broken into someone's home, opened a closet door, and taken a **** in the closet because they thought it was a bathroom... but I do know one who did. I know lots of guys who've gotten drunk and not taken a piss on a bar floor because they couldn't find the men's room... but I know several who did. I know a lot of guys who got drunk and didn't sneak into the secure TACAMO flight line, steal a fuel truck, and get chased by armed Marines until they crashed the truck... but I know three who did. I know lots of guys who've gotten drunk and not driven, but millions do. The reality is that judgement is the first thing to go when you drink, and if you're gonna use poor judgement and go on a bender, then you need to be held accountable for what happens, and that applies to both parties.

If this were a case where these two idiots came out and started talking cars instead of sex, and decided it would be just awesome to have a drag race to see who's car is faster, and soon after taking off the girl blacked out behind the wheel causing the two cars to wreck, everyone would be demanding that both idiots go to jail for drunk driving and reckless behavior. But since this case involves sex, many of us now want to hold the guy to a higher standard than the girl, and why? Just because he's a guy. Sorry, but two drunks, being equally irresponsible, are equally to blame for this situation.
 
Here's my thoughts on drunks... Not proud to admit it but I've tied one on a few times and have good recollection of the events including the actions of others and what I always see is ones hidden inner workings come to the surface.

Had a brother in law that moved in with my parents.... always a bit suspicious about his intentions and his true thoughts. He would come out to the garage and drink a few beers while I was working on my car and never an issue.. one night he decided to mix some of my rum in with his beer and that's where I learned who he was and what his intentions were. The night ended with him beeing very insulting then violent ending with him face on the floor in a choke hold. He never spent another night at my parents and moved out within a week.... the cat was out of the bag.
So my belief is what one does while drunk is what one wishes to do while sober but resist out of fear.
 
Sure would have been interesting Bru if some GUY slipped you a Ruffy or got you passed out and raped you
(A guy or 2 huh?)

Live with that shame....

I'm off of this thread!
God bless you all and Bruzilla...who I deeply enjoy conversing with and I have much in common with. (both Military/Air crew members)
On this topic, I disagree with his view.
1. It does not make him a bad guy
2. My apologies to anyone if I have angered/offended.
 
I think the big struggle we have is with the meaning of the word "rape" that all can understand.

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Here's my thoughts on drunks... Not proud to admit it but I've tied one on a few times and have good recollection of the events including the actions of others and what I always see is ones hidden inner workings come to the surface.

Had a brother in law that moved in with my parents.... always a bit suspicious about his intentions and his true thoughts. He would come out to the garage and drink a few beers while I was working on my car and never an issue.. one night he decided to mix some of my rum in with his beer and that's where I learned who he was and what his intentions were. The night ended with him beeing very insulting then violent ending with him face on the floor in a choke hold. He never spent another night at my parents and moved out within a week.... the cat was out of the bag.
So my belief is what one does while drunk is what one wishes to do while sober but resist out of fear.
As a blackout drinker, one snapout, where I did end up pissing on some ones bedriom carpet, i thought i was pissing in a urinal at the co jail annex(i had been at the jail earlier that day, working off a 'month of sundays' for a DWI), snapped out of it cuz the Woman of the house was going off, trying to rub my nose init, i shook my head loose, realizing wtf i had done, freaked the **** out, crying apolologies, wrestled loose, ran out of the house and didnt stop running until home 3 miles away....was a holiday party and of course i was one of the die hards.....Beer...lots of Beer, which is usually All i ever drank.......Beer IS Alchohol, & enough of it gets one quite drunk....two heaviest blows i ever did, 0.28 & a 0.29.5 nothing but beer.....i only weigh 140 on avg.
Once i start drinking, i cannot stop, i do not pass out.....i hallucinate completely different surroundings...worse a mix, things, people that are there blended with those that are not.....took a boat one night because i thought it belonged to a friend i Thought i was talking to(in abother State @ time)but not there, my fantasy said how do You like my new boat(a flat deck ski boat w/ 427, dry basset OT headers & Berkley jet pump) which was very real, then said take it for a ride....the keys were init, @ 3AM in a cove of the Colo river near Yuma, it was a loud bastard....i drove the boat out, did some hot laps crossing my wakes....steering cables were binding at the stops, having to yank it back off either one, took it back to the beach, beached it, got a long *** ski rope out, tied it to bow eye & ran it up to a trailer & tied it up.....then i was grabbed with my arms pulled behind my back with cuffs going on...of course lm wtf is going and Cop says i just stole the boat to which i replied that it was a Friend's...He said, yeah, where is He?, third time i yelled out His name, i snapped out of it, my blood drained realizing what had just taken place. The boat had just drifted into me as i was sitting in water drinking my qt of chivas regal, having my imaginary conversation. Turns out another drunk fool had left His boat adrift, spacing it out....whiich it could have drifted out of cove into river and probably ended up a loss. I did not go to jail, was trying to hitch the hell out of there next day so ashamed, when the Guy's Old Lady drives up & asked if i was the one who had created the chaos....tail between legs i admitted i was, All She did was Thank Me, & God that i happened to be there to Prevent them from losing the boat that she didnt like because all their money was wrapped init, & Her old man had gone black out & left their investment in jeapordy.
The only other drug ive done that comes this close in scariness is jimson weed. Totally twisted realities, half real, half hallucination. Coke, Speed, Barbituates, Psychedelics.....nada, no, i NEVER forgot who the **** i was or where i was with any of those.....certain metabolisms have allergic reaction to over consumption of alchohol...unfortunately, im one . It took a whole lot more ******* up before i finally got tired of the baggage....i lost a 68 Gibson SG, didnt do it, a final DWI is when i finally got smart & got the **** out of my life, seeing clearly that i was going to end up dead, & worse, cause harm to another, plus the burden i was being on everyone around me....fortunately, ive always been a finessed driver, no collisions ever ...between God, my dead Mother, & my sub concious, i never took anyone out.....i stopped drinking, July 14, 1992, dead cold turkey, no AA, no rehab.....once i became absolutely clear with myself what Had to be done, a piece of cake, never looked back, the desire to ever drink again died that day.
This kind of behaviour is a certain percentage of drinkers..any percentage is Bad Bad Ju Ju.
Of the substance gauntlet i ran, ill promote psychedelics & reefer anyday, defend them against anyone, but Alchohol being the legal drug, that society rams down the throat along with sex as the in ****....its a Major Problem...i hate BEER DAY...superbowl sunday.
I was never a potential threat drinking cia kool aid, or any other psychedelic......and Weed, cmon People....lung damage from smoking, but reefer madness is a hallucinatuon. Bottom line is, One cannot make Sound & Accurate judgements about Anything, until one has walked the mile.
The way sex & booze are pounded into every bodies brain by advertising, party party party, is a set up for recurring disasters.....if alchohol wasnt as prevalant, date rape would not be as tall of a Statistic in my Honest Experienced Opinion. As Freud would have it, i cant stand being around Drunks! And ANY Rape, Violation of a Woman's Being is Absolutely Intolerable.....VILE ****, those who stoop so low should be SHOT on Conviction, As should all murderers, with the exception of Manslaughter....any direct aggression against an individuals sovereignty needs to be put to bed directly......Thieves sgould be dealt with more harshly.....kill the capital criminals to leave room in prisons for gangsters, those who prey on the livlihoods of others. IMO
 
So using Bruz somewhat twisted logic my former girlfriend who was ganged fucked by two low life scumbags was just as guilty as them. Thats a ******* pitiful attitude to have.
 
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