Rigging question

[HT413]

Don't know any Molly Hatchet but I was a little concerned with my rigging with the horses. Although they are "cheap assed saw horses" they were rated at 1000 lbs each when new. They appear to be over taxed but in reality an empty E body front end with nothing but the hood and fenders weighs in at less than 1000# at the point where the horses are located. That equates to less than 500# on each horse.
I agree that it would not be in the be safe to depend on them for any kind of duration or working under the car but it seemed safe enough for me to roll the cart under before re rigging my Cherry picker. I think the guy driving your avitar was flirting with disaster more than I was.

I hear ya, man, and it didn't fall so that's a good thing. But those load ratings assume equal and balanced loads on all 4 legs and that the load be applied VERTICALLY AND DOWNWARD. That setup loads only 2 legs and it loads the lower portions of the legs with a MAJOR shear force, which they weren't designed for. Like runner68 said above, they could easily buckle or be pushed over or made to slide out of the way by that lateral load (or IMO, more likely have one occur and start the others into motion.)

Listen, this forum is full of experts of all types. I'm not a car expert, but I am an expert in these matters. Not getting arrogant, just saying my background - I have 2 engineering degrees, was a construction / civil engineer for 12 years (also served as rigging and excavating safety officer) and I currently teach physics for a living. Please don't do that again.

 

[Sixpactogo]

I hear you too. I spent 30 years in the electrical field building electrical sub stations. Dealt with you civil engineers all the time. One thing I have to say is you guys tend to overbuild. You have to factor in 200 mile per hour wind, 30 years of outdoor weather conditions and all the other elements that could come into play. It is a good thing by the way and I respect your expertise and background. I have done the rigging and erecting of lots of steel structures in my career and do not have any paper degrees but in 30+ years of field engineering I feel qualified to know when something can be done safely. Like I said earlier, I was a little concerned with the use of those horses and I know how quick things can go wrong but knowing that I wasn't going to be under the car, I was confident I would be Ok. I probably should delete those pictures though in retrospect so no one follows my example. I don't know if I can as my computer savvy is way less then my rigging expertise.

 

[Runner 68]

Don't know any Molly Hatchet but I was a little concerned with my rigging with the horses. Although they are "cheap assed saw horses" they were rated at 1000 lbs each when new. They appear to be over taxed but in reality an empty E body front end with nothing but the hood and fenders weighs in at less than 1000# at the point where the horses are located. That equates to less than 500# on each horse.
I agree that it would not be in the be safe to depend on them for any kind of duration or working under the car but it seemed safe enough for me to roll the cart under before re rigging my Cherry picker. I think the guy driving your avitar was flirting with disaster more than I was.

LMAO Sixpac. It's all good. You survived.
Yea, I'll bet the guy driving the car in my avatar bit a couple of chunks out of the seat with his butt-hole.

You don't know Molly Hatchet? Hell I thought all car guys listened to MH. Circa 1979, Southern rock band.

Hit the link and turn up the volume.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0wxAMa3Prhk

 

[Sixpactogo]

Nope. Now you tell me Molly ain't even female! What is the world coming to! I think I graduated from rock music back when Elvis tipped over. I was into Merle Haggard, Waylen Jennings and Barbara Mandrell by 79.

 

[sleepar]

Nope. Now you tell me Molly ain't even female! What is the world coming to! I think I graduated from rock music back when Elvis tipped over. I was into Merle Haggard, Waylen Jennings and Barbara Mandrell by 79.

Alice Cooper's not and I only found out years later after masturbating for years to those album covers..... by the way how's the car coming along?

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LMAO Sixpac. It's all good. You survived.
Yea, I'll bet the guy driving the car in my avatar bit a couple of chunks out of the seat with his butt-hole.

You don't know Molly Hatchet? Hell I thought all car guys listened to MH. Circa 1979, Southern rock band.

Hit the link and turn up the volume.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0wxAMa3Prhk

How about black foot ?

 

[HT413]

Alice Cooper's not and I only found out years later after masturbating for years to those album covers..... by the way how's the car coming along?

I'm still trying to figure out if you are crazy or just have a crazy sense of humor. Man, wackin off to Alice Cooper... something I thought I'd live my whole life without ever reading.

 

[coronet340]

Thanks for the thread Steve. Good questions and great answers.

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Alice Cooper's not and I only found out years later after masturbating for years to those album covers..... by the way how's the car coming along?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Runner 68]

Nope. Now you tell me Molly ain't even female! What is the world coming to! I think I graduated from rock music back when Elvis tipped over. I was into Merle Haggard, Waylen Jennings and Barbara Mandrell by 79.

Sorry for the slight hijack Steve, I learned a thing or two on this thread too.

As for you Sixpac, Merle, Waylen, absolutely. Barbara Mandrell....I used to date a girl that looked exactly like her. She is/was something to spank the monkey to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN50ZU6jVwM&feature=player_detailpage

Alice Cooper?!?! WTF Sleepar? I like Alice but Jesus man, the album covers were great but.....that's an image I didn't need.
Blackfoot is cool however. Turn it up again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBP15lRprPs&feature=player_detailpage

 

[Sixpactogo]

Hey sleepar, I have heard of Alice Cooper. Not sure of the sex and I have nothing for the comment. I do however have an update on my project. I bought an install kit from Bouchillon Performance for the install of the 6.1 into the Charger as it is new ground for me and I really don't want to deal with a lot of the trial and error issues. So far, it looks like I am doing it backwards as I have received the exhaust and gas tank first. I did get the TTI headers but am still missing the oil pan, motor mount adaptors and things that I need to do a mock up to see what mods are required in the tunnel area. I don't have the talent for body work so once I get the tunnel work done the car will be off to my body man for the new trunk floor and metal work. Probably won't see it again until the snow flies. This thread started out about rigging so I don't want to hijack it too much. We always seem to unintentially wander off on a different subject but here are a couple pics of my hijacking.
By the way runner, thanks for the Barbara Manderll uplift. I needed it.

 

[HT413]

Hey sleepar, here are the 1st 16 of Alice cooper's albums. You're right, pass the lotion.

 

[Runner 68]

Hey sleepar, here are the 1st 16 of Alice cooper's albums. You're right, pass the lotion.
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Must have been the ones with the snakes.

 

[sleepar]

LOL and I made that up to see where it would go.... Marilyn Manson not a chick?!?!? And run with that one....

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I hear ya, man, and it didn't fall so that's a good thing. But those load ratings assume equal and balanced loads on all 4 legs and that the load be applied VERTICALLY AND DOWNWARD. That setup loads only 2 legs and it loads the lower portions of the legs with a MAJOR shear force, which they weren't designed for. Like runner68 said above, they could easily buckle or be pushed over or made to slide out of the way by that lateral load (or IMO, more likely have one occur and start the others into motion.)

Listen, this forum is full of experts of all types. I'm not a car expert, but I am an expert in these matters. Not getting arrogant, just saying my background - I have 2 engineering degrees, was a construction / civil engineer for 12 years (also served as rigging and excavating safety officer) and I currently teach physics for a living. Please don't do that again.

Anyways Steve from Staten island hasn't replied to his post in a little while..... hope he isn't under his car pinned to the floor..... New Yorkers are tough any ways... probably come back on here with a story about how he was trapped for 30 days until the meter man came by and heard him yelling for help....

 

[steve from staten island]

Im ok. All you guys were a huge help and i appreciate it. Im going to make up a jig like i saw in those pictures but with castors mounted on them were it bolts to frame. Ive got to pull the car out of the garage to work on it as the ceiling is to low. After i get the K frame with the engine and tranny in,i'll push it back into the garage and start the front end work. Sounds like a plan. The engine is almost ready to be bolted up to the trans. Im hopping all this will happen around some time in July. ------------------------Sleepar, you take care of yourself