Roadrunner gtx clones/tributes ?????

[340RT]

I have no problem w/ clone cars.Build it the way you want it.

 

[Propwash]

I'm thinking a lot of guys jump into the tribute/clone ring because of the initial sticker shock of let's say a project Roadrunner or Superbee. At half the price a coronet or satellite seem much more appealing. I guess the big downfall is obviously the resale.

I respect the guys that put together the clones/tributes. They have to do the same or if not more work than if they were restoring the real McCoy. Either way I think a guy should respect the blood, sweat, and tears taken to restore these cars.

 

[69HEMICORONETR/TCONV]

I don't mind clones, and can respect clones as long as it is known they ARE clones, and are presented as clones. .....I despise and Hate clones that are passed , or attempted to be passed as the Real cars they represent.


"It is, what it is" :yes:

 

[Propwash]

"It is, what it is" :yes:

Very True...Very true

 

[moparstuart]

looks like a great car to start with , good luck

 

[Revhendo]

Honestly, I would recreate an A12, a '68 SS Dart or Cuda, or even a Daytona. More because I think it would be fun to drive one. If I owned a real one, I don't know if I would enjoy hammering on it as much.....

 

[69HEMICORONETR/TCONV]

Honestly, I would recreate an A12, a '68 SS Dart or Cuda, or even a Daytona. More because I think it would be fun to drive one. If I owned a real one, I don't know if I would enjoy hammering on it as much.....

Exactly ! :yes:

 

[69Coronetrt]

For many reasons.
As far as I am concerned the mid 70s and later cars with the same Roadrunner, Super Bee, R/T, etc. names are FACTORY tribute cars just using the names of what were once great performance cars on the newer cars that are just stripe packages and emblems.

D, people hate this when I point it out but that's all a 68 RR was anyway.

If you ordered a 68 RR with A/C, you got the same engine, the same drive train and the same suspension you could get on a Belvedere. The only difference was the hood and decals. Is there a difference between a 69 Satellite 383-four speed car and a Road Runner other than the hood and decals? No but you got cheaper insurance.

Is GG's '68 Hemi Coronet 440 any different than a '68 Hemi Super Bee? The only difference is the hood and some decals.

As far as clones...if you would have put a wrong decal or tried to clone a car 'back in the day' you would have been laughed at. You could swap a 318 or 383 out of a Satellite and drop in a 440 but don't dare put GTX badges on it. Upgrades = cool. Trying to be something it's not= not cool.

Keep it what it is but perform day 2 and 3 modifications and have fun.
There aren't enough Satellites, Coronets and Barracudas left.

 

[iraqivet01]

My cousin did a total rebuilt of a 69 Camaro making into a Yenko. No money or time was spared, when people ask him if it real one, he just laughs and says it what you want believe it is. Everything the the same except the intial price you had to dish out.

My car a 500, but it going to made into a R/T. They both shared the trim except the emblems. The 383 was already changed to a 440 which is one of the only differences. Screw it. My car going to be a daily driver that i'm not going to be afraid drive like an orginal. Besides that by the time I get done, it going to be better than what the factory came out with.

 

[bigredbird]

If you ordered a 68 RR with A/C, you got the same engine, the same drive train and the same suspension you could get on a Belvedere. The only difference was the hood and decals. Is there a difference between a 69 Satellite 383-four speed car and a Road Runner other than the hood and decals? No but you got cheaper insurance.

Exactly. Look at the ad for Plymouth's 1972 "Rapid Transit System... and Friends." There's a Roadrunner, 340 Duster, and Cuda on the left, and a Satellite, Duster, and Barracuda on the right. The difference: engine and suspension -- and a couple of tin tags with an "RM" instead of an "RH" if you're looking at the Roadrunner and Satellite.

If I have a Satellite with the same beefier suspension that the Roadrunner had, and the same engine, and the same sheet metal on the hood, grille, and taillights, then all we're down to is the tin tags and one letter of the alphabet. Every other thing about the cars is 100% the same: glass, steel, rubber, plastic. 100%, except for the tags and that one letter. The Satellite hasn't been re-badged as a clone, it's been re-born as a Roadrunner.

If someone has swapped some seats and a Roadrunner hood and stripes onto a Satellite, then it's a clone (and a bad one at that). But if they've matched every feature so all that's left is a Trivial Pursuit question about letters on tags, then they deserve to have Chrysler itself verify that the car's been rebuilt as a factory Roadrunner.

That won't happen, of course, and since there can be a significant price difference between a clone and the "real deal," no one should sell a clone without disclosing that that's what it is. But if the clone is equal to a factory build, then the fact that there's any price difference at all -- just because of letters on tags -- is ridiculous.

Here's the ad:
http://www.musclecarsforever.com/images/old_ads/1972_Plymouth_RTS.jpg

 

[Muswagon]

Will my '68 RR with a real RM VIN be a clone with V2 paint which I don't think was available in that year (1970 first year??). And I hate the '68 grille so I am using a non badged '68 GTX grille.

I am new to the Muscle Car/Mopar scene, spent most of my adult life as a 5.0 Mustang Punk (have 91 I bought this summer sitting beside the Mopar right now). My thoughts on clones are they let more people into the hobby, they don't lower the value of real cars as the people driving clones could not afford the real ones anyway so the market is not diluted. The purists know what is real and what is not, and the real collector will still pay top dollar for real cars. Someone else said this in another clone thread, that clones actually accelerated the amount of parts being reproduced, as the demand increased expotentially with the extra amount of cars being restored.

To the the author of this thread, I think the use of the word Tribute is perfect. Shows the builder respects the origina, and in 9 out of 10 cases they cannot afford a real one. The 1 that tries to pass it off or worse sell it as the real thing, is simply a D***** bag.

 

[1badgtx]

Clone or not,if it is MoPar powered I like it...Sure the real deal is nice but most people nowadays really cannot afford the real deal...As long as the don,t try to pass it as the real thing..
Petty Blue 67 GTX

 

[696pack]

D, people hate this when I point it out but that's all a 68 RR was anyway.

If you ordered a 68 RR with A/C, you got the same engine, the same drive train and the same suspension you could get on a Belvedere. The only difference was the hood and decals. Is there a difference between a 69 Satellite 383-four speed car and a Road Runner other than the hood and decals? No but you got cheaper insurance.

Is GG's '68 Hemi Coronet 440 any different than a '68 Hemi Super Bee? The only difference is the hood and some decals.

As far as clones...if you would have put a wrong decal or tried to clone a car 'back in the day' you would have been laughed at. You could swap a 318 or 383 out of a Satellite and drop in a 440 but don't dare put GTX badges on it. Upgrades = cool. Trying to be something it's not= not cool.

Keep it what it is but perform day 2 and 3 modifications and have fun.
There aren't enough Satellites, Coronets and Barracudas left.

Old thread that I missed this comment to my post.

My comments are directed at the mid 70s cars that wer RRs etc with 318s and such and the later cars that were not Hipo cars, just stripe and names that were trying to tag onto the original REAL cars that made the name special. These later cars where NOTHING like the originals, they are just want-a-be cars trying to profit from the original names.

As far as the example 68 383 A/C Sat, Bel, or Coronet with 383-4 engine, that is not what I was comparing to with my comments.

 

[Meep-Meep]

It's another MoPar saved from the crusher. Just be honest about what it is.

 

[696pack]

Will my '68 RR with a real RM VIN be a clone with V2 paint which I don't think was available in that year (1970 first year??). And I hate the '68 grille so I am using a non badged '68 GTX grille.

I am new to the Muscle Car/Mopar scene, spent most of my adult life as a 5.0 Mustang Punk (have 91 I bought this summer sitting beside the Mopar right now). My thoughts on clones are they let more people into the hobby, they don't lower the value of real cars as the people driving clones could not afford the real ones anyway so the market is not diluted. The purists know what is real and what is not, and the real collector will still pay top dollar for real cars. Someone else said this in another clone thread, that clones actually accelerated the amount of parts being reproduced, as the demand increased expotentially with the extra amount of cars being restored.

To the the author of this thread, I think the use of the word Tribute is perfect. Shows the builder respects the origina, and in 9 out of 10 cases they cannot afford a real one. The 1 that tries to pass it off or worse sell it as the real thing, is simply a D***** bag.

Your car will always be a 1968 RR. With what your planning it will be an original 68 RR with modifications. The grille will always be a simple bolt in th change back. The color change (BTW, first available in 1969) will be a different story if you ever plant to sell it and the new buyer has a problem with it not being the original color as color changes are expensive.

I had an original 1968 Hemi Charger that was originally gold. I color changed it to 68 Red. Many told me it would cost me if I sold it due to the color change. It didn't. It sold to the first looker for my asking price. The buyer said he would have prefered it if I would have kept the original color but actually liked the red color better. So, he was only concerned about purist for resale, however when you have a crappy original color I think it matters little when you are painting it a much more desirable color to the masses.

Here is a link to pictures of my old 68 Hemi Charger with before and after pictures. You tell me which way you would have rather seen it regsrding color? I think it is a no brainer, but then again a few people like gold cars.
http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=9351

 

[71Beeper]

The 71 Satellite that I just bought will be a Clone Runner.

After seeing what the prices for a real Road Runner are going for and what condition most of them that are for sale are in, I couldn't afford to buy a real one. But I can invest the $$$$ in this one and build it correctly. Will I pass it off as a real Runner????Heck no, but I won't be selling it eithier. Plus there are too many Mopar guys that know how to read a VIN# and fender tag.
Once the car is done I'll take it to shows and cruises and get the usual guy walks up to it and reads the VIN and turns away shaking thier head, do I care? no. I will build the car to what I like.

 

[Muswagon]

Fair enough. It was one of the 2 Turqoiuse colors that were offered in '68, the old paint was long gone unless you dug in some spots, so it was practically a color change anyway. The original engine is long gone, so I felt why suffer with a color I was not fond of.

What code was V2 offered under in '69, was it under the 999 special? I couldn't find it in any charts.

Speaking of V2 Tor Red/Hemi Orange. Is it just me or are there many people and cars that are confused about just what color that is? I have seen a million cars painted what looks to me to be Vitamin C orange and they are listed as Hemi Orange. I have read some articles that said the bulk of the general lee's in the latter half of the show were actually painted the GM orange, I think its called Hugger Orange, I stopped reading that article at that point

 

[696pack]

Fair enough. It was one of the 2 Turqoiuse colors that were offered in '68, the old paint was long gone unless you dug in some spots, so it was practically a color change anyway. The original engine is long gone, so I felt why suffer with a color I was not fond of.

What code was V2 offered under in '69, was it under the 999 special? I couldn't find it in any charts.

Speaking of V2 Tor Red/Hemi Orange. Is it just me or are there many people and cars that are confused about just what color that is? I have seen a million cars painted what looks to me to be Vitamin C orange and they are listed as Hemi Orange. I have read some articles that said the bulk of the general lee's in the latter half of the show were actually painted the GM orange, I think its called Hugger Orange, I stopped reading that article at that point

Have you ever seen the original color color of your car in a 68 Dealer Color and Upholstery book? You may be surprised at how pretty it realy is the way the FACTORY painted it.

The problem with colors today is that over the years with paint formulas, ingredient changes, and the changes in the actual colors per the original paint numbers, many of them are WAY OFF compared to the originals. The only way to get it right compared to the originals is to have one of the paint examples I stated above to have color matched. Also, when looking at cars on the internet and in person you will often see a big difference in the color.

V2 is a 69 color that was introduced mid year and was first shown on the A12 six pack/six barrel cars.
A99 or 999 paint code is for "special paint" meaning under that code it could be factory painted ANY color possible. Many Mopars and other makes were painted Omaha Orange which was a color used on many company vehicle for state and private utility companys. You see many Omaha Orange Mopars that carry the 99 or 999 paint code. Omaha Orange, Go man Go/Vitimin C, Hemi Orange/Tor Red are all shade varients of similar oranges. Most people think that they are enamel colors but they actually have metallic in them. Some have silver and some have gold metallic in them.

Attached are pictures of the color chip Mopar sent out to the dealers to be added to the Color and Upholstery Books in 1969.

 

[GTXKen]

Mine is a GTX because I found it for a decent price. If I would have wound up with a Satellite I probably would have built the same kind of motor, done the same stuff, probably keep the Satellite tags. If you want to put roadrunner or GTX tags on it go for it just don't tell people that its the real thing or sell it as the real thing. Do what makes you happy without harming anyone!

 

[jamesdaytona]

Build it , drive it , enjoy it !