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[RustyRatRod]

Amen brother. Seems ebay and paypal both only care about the buyer. It blows.

99's

not sure where the shop is....but it might be close enough i could go poke around....kinda got burned by a member using the Paypal buyers protection screw the seller policy so am on a rampage for thieves

Mike

 

[MikeStahl]

Ya Rusty....just to add to it....was told buy the Member to just man up and consider it as a life lesson...(%(%^&_&*kiss my ^^

 

[Bruzilla]

Then don't be. We all already know nothing bad ever happens to you because you think of everything and know all the answers. No need to constantly rub it in. Everybody already knows you're perfect. Perferct at what I will refrain from saying as I'll get an infraction.

Sorry that's the way you take good advice Rusty, and cr8crshr, but I'm just trying to prevent someone else from making the mistake this guy did. Get over it.

 

[sublimegtx]

Ya Rusty....just to add to it....was told buy the Member to just man up and consider it as a life lesson...(%(%^&_&*kiss my ^^

If it was a member on here I hope you brought it out into the open for us all to see.

 

[RustyRatRod]

It's not good advice to tell someone what they should have done after they've experienced a loss. It's inconsiderate, thoughtless and arrogant. But then, that pretty much sums you up.

 

[MikeStahl]

Sub

I will...but trying to gather a few more facts...just to make sure of what's the truth

 

[Bruzilla]

It's not good advice to tell someone what they should have done after they've experienced a loss. It's inconsiderate, thoughtless and arrogant. But then, that pretty much sums you up.

It's only arrogant to those who are arrogant themselves. To the rest of us it's something to think about before we repeat this gentleman's error. I learned the trick about dumping trash in your car after a friend of mine had his car broken into at a storage lot and he got the same advice I'm posting here from the lot manager. I was just smart enough to listen to his wisdom and not go storming off thinking the guy was being arrogant. Too bad some on this board lack that foresight.

So what's good advice? Patting him on the back and telling him it's all the fault of the evil insurance company? I know Rusty feels this is arrogant, but guys... seriously... don't go leaving anything that appears remotely valuable visible in your car, at any time! And don't feel because something is so unusable by anyone else that it'll be safe. Thieves are very opportunistic and will snatch anything that might be of value since they can always discard anything that ends up being worthless.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Trust me brother. I aint the only one. lol

 

[pabster]

Gotta chime in and say that I have never pulled my stereo out or intentionally left trash in my car when I leave it at a shop. Granted, I clear the interior of my personal items and I don't leave anything of value in the car at a shop, but dumping trash in my car and trying to make it look terrible so no one will steal anything out of it while its being worked on? Where do you get your car worked on, Bruzilla? Mogadishu?

To the original poster- I wish you the best of luck in this crappy situation. I hope your friend does the right thing and at least helps out with $$$ for the loss. If he won't do anything, then I personally would turn up the heat. Bad online reviews of an establishment can do plenty of damage to a business, as can word of mouth on sites like this. No fun to threaten someone, but loss of future business if he refuses to do the right thing may motivate him in the right way. Just a thought.

 

[99ss]

Bruzilla I dont live in a theft dirven area like florida so going to the extremes isnt needed. Its a Camaro.. there is no trunk its a hatch back. Insurance is there for just this reason. IF I have to hide my stuff every time I take a drive or leave my car then it time to move.


They headers are very specific to the engine plus they were 2" primaries... someone knew what they were and the Accusump as well.
He did call the police and they did file a report but someone knew what they were after. Inside job? I just dont know. He isnt a close friend at all but has worked on my car before and none of this has ever happened. A neighbor heard the break in at 3am and called the police is how the story went.

Yes I want at least half of my money back, if he wasnt properly insured then I am willing to meet him halfway.. cant get blood from a rock, but the fact he just doesnt recognize its his responsibility really makes me wonder. I paid him in full there was no discount. $2500 for R+R
Unless I get ugly I'm not recouping any money and no i dont consider him someone I cant trust anymore.

 

[Bruzilla]

Gotta chime in and say that I have never pulled my stereo out or intentionally left trash in my car when I leave it at a shop. Granted, I clear the interior of my personal items and I don't leave anything of value in the car at a shop, but dumping trash in my car and trying to make it look terrible so no one will steal anything out of it while its being worked on? Where do you get your car worked on, Bruzilla? Mogadishu?

Thieves don't usually hang out in crummy, Mogadishu-like areas, mainly because there's not a lot of stuff worth stealing there. They tend to work the nicer parts of town where all the good stuff is. We had a guy drive a dozen boxes of five Ampex magnetic tapes that are used with the Honeywell recorders we used for ASW support down to Jacksonville. They're a foot in diameter and 1" wide, and can't be used for anything else. The tapes were all in their sealed, original, boxes that stated exactly what they were. Our driver loaded them in the back of his F-150, got to our office, went inside to use the bathroom and get some help unloading the boxes, and when he came back out every box was gone! That's the problem with having an office, or a garage, in a great area.

The thing about thieves are they are often smarter than their victims.

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Trust me brother. I aint the only one. lol

Well, then I know that I'm doing my job right. Thanks!

 

[99ss]

I've started to call around to lawers in his area to see what can be done. Insult to injurty was charging me exta money on top of it all.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Good luck man. I hope you get satisfaction.

 

[Bruzilla]

Bruzilla I dont live in a theft dirven area like florida so going to the extremes isnt needed. Its a Camaro.. there is no trunk its a hatch back.

I must say I find your choice of words pretty interesting given that you're the one sitting there with a busted window and $2,000+ worth of stuff missing. I'm thinking you probably shouldn't be casting disparaging remarks about other places being "theft dirven" when you seem to be the one having the theft problem. And I also can't help seeing the irony of a guy who's just been robbed saying the theft-prevention measures I mentioned aren't needed when all the evidence here points to the contrary.

Insurance is there for just this reason, but insurance isn't a safeguard. As you learned the hard way, every insurance policy is different, and if you lack the specific riders to cover every situation, you're never really protected. That's why you also have a role in being smart and taking actions to prevent the loss from ever occurring. Taking two minutes to put those items inside the building, or in the trunk, would have saved you $2,000+... that is cheap insurance. This is why I locked up anything worth stealing, trashed the interior, stopped washing the car two weeks before so it would be covered in pollen, and specifically told the shop owner to not cover the car like he normally does as covers signal something of value is underneath to thieves. I would rather have thieves walk by my car and see a worthless roller full of trash and go break into the nice covered Mustang down the row than fight with insurance companies or friends. But that's just me.

They headers are very specific to the engine plus they were 2" primaries... someone knew what they were and the Accusump as well.

After spending a few years with a sheriff's office, let me explain how thieves work. They are very opportunistic in nature, meaning they don't waste a lot of time plotting and planning things out. They go into an area where the risk is low and the potential rewards high, grab what they can, scoot back home, and resell what they can and trash what they can't. Younger thieves are usually dumber and will work neighborhoods where the risk of being seen or heard is higher, older thieves like working businesses and industrial parks where there's less chance of running into someone after the businesses close. Stolen car parts are easy money for thieves in any area, and a car sitting outside a closed business is easy pickings for them. They'll walk by, look in the windows, and if they see something that looks like it might have any value at all, they'll steal it. It doesn't matter how unique, or limited-purpose it is, to them. They steal first and worry about value later.

He did call the police and they did file a report but someone knew what they were after. Inside job? I just dont know. He isn't a close friend at all but has worked on my car before and none of this has ever happened. A neighbor heard the break in at 3am and called the police is how the story went.

I doubt this was an inside job. Someone on the inside would know for sure the headers were of limited value because of their applicability, so why take them? Plus car guys move in pretty small circles, and folks are going to notice if "Joe" suddenly turns up with a nice set of headers and an Accusump system on his car, or has them for sale. It's certainly possible, but nowhere near as likely as someone who was looking into cars seeing a nice pair of shiny new headers and parts in a car and deciding to steal them. The worst part is if the thief can't find a buyer for the headers, they'll end up in some scrap dealer's melt-down pile or worse just get tossed in the woods somewhere.

Yes I want at least half of my money back, if he wasnt properly insured then I am willing to meet him halfway.. cant get blood from a rock, but the fact he just doesnt recognize its his responsibility really makes me wonder. I paid him in full there was no discount. $2500 for R+R
Unless I get ugly I'm not recouping any money and no i dont consider him someone I cant trust anymore.

I'm sure you do want your money back. I would too. But this isn't an unusual problem. I've known more than a few guys who get uninstalled parts stolen out of their cars and end up being told they are not covered because they don't have the proper property theft riders on their insurance or because the parts weren't installed. I also know guys who didn't get reimbursed for parts that were installed because they had never declared them to their insurer and their insurance was based on the equipment on the car at the time the policy was taken out.

I would also bet that the first question the guy's insurance company, or a judge, is going to have is what measures were taken to prevent the theft, and when they hear the items were left in plain sight from outside the car, they're going to assign some measure of responsibility to you and the business owner. Most owners of auto businesses have signs up saying they are not responsible for any items stolen while your vehicle is on the premises, especially while it is not secured in their building. In most cases, he's not responsible for anything until that vehicle comes inside, which is why it falls upon you to take the appropriate action to protect your stuff.

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Good luck man. I hope you get satisfaction.

I do, and thanks again!

 

[pabster]

 

[mguesto]

I had my daughters car broken into and the CD colleciton was taken with the stereo. I was told that maybe my home owners
would cover it since the vehicle was locked up.

They did, I hope you can contact your company and see if your covered like i was. Good luck.

Matt

 

[ossietim]

Was a police report ever made? Surely the garage owner rang the cops to report the theft ?
Maybe you could make the report to the cops.
Insurance co. here require police reports for all stolen claims.

He's liable.period.
Good luck ....I feel your pain.

 

[CtownChris]

God himself is a member and posts here on FBBO. wow! Well maybe not God but the Pope at least is a member, or should I say the next Pope as in Holier than Thou.

 

[Shuboxlover]

It would be VERY interesting to see if something like this has happened there before???

 

[cr8crshr]

Bruzilla and Rusty...Please pipe down and keep on track here. This is a serious situation he is experiencing and I for one don't see the need to be picking at each other. If you don't understand how Insurance works in the instance then I would suggest that you leave it be. Go back and re-read my post about what should be covered and how. Bottom line is that regardless of whether or not the Shop is a friend, he must have Insurance to be in business. If not then a whole can of worms will be opened and could result in heavy fines, law suit, and possible jail time for not maintaining a business insurance policy. Coulda, shoulda, woulda or I did this and that ain't gonna cut it after the fact. Give the guy some support...Tuck