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roller rockers for a 440

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What are the advantages or disadvantages for using roller rockers in a stock street build?
I was going to use adjustable rockers from a 69 440 sixpack car, but after looking at them they are to worn to use, so I have to find new rockers and a shaft.
I was looking at 440 ones or I could get old stock ones. I don't think rollers are going to benefit my street build, but that is why I am asking.
Any input would be helpful.
 
For a street build?
Honestly and quite frankly: NONE

But, there are advantages to running a Roller Rocker set up.

Advantages for "roller rockers" essentially are:
1. Reduced valve train friction
2. More precise valve train geometry
3. Insurance that on HIGH RPM activity you are less likely to experience lifter collapse

The "Stamped steel" rocker assembly is good for street use.
And, some conventional systems have friction reducing bearings in the rocker arms thus reducing friction.

If you want to spend the money, go with them but honestly? for street use, no true benefit in my opinion.
 
Yea kinda my thought, I have to get something and since the block is being decked I would think I would need to get adjustable rockers to make sure they are all correct.
I was going to buy 440n source ones, but there are SO many negative things about them I have to think twice. I am planning on buying their heads, but I need to find different rockers I guess.
 
for me, the major advantage to a roller tip rocker is setting up the geometry. geometry becomes more of an issue with higher than stock valve lifts. reducing friction with a roller rocker (needle bearing fulcrums) comes in to play more with high spring loads and fast ramps; like a roller camshaft. all the adjustable rockers i've messed with have higher than advertised ratios and this really comes into play when setting the springs up and piston to valve clearance. look before you leap!
 
My current 440 build....
Yup, 440 Source Aluminum heads and valve train for the 67 GTX
 

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For free? How did you manage that deal if you don't mind my asking?

FWIW, I've been using the 440Source roller rockers for the past few years, 92 dragstrip runs and counting with no problems. Maybe it helps that my valve spring pressures are mild.
 
Well,
It is a long story but essentially the Heads, Valve train, cam and a bunch of other parts came free.
Someone bought them, a friend of mine and sold his car/project and didn't use them.
So, I did get them for free.

Crazy huh?

Beautiful car 1969superbee!
 
IMO & most engine builders, especially on a performance type build,
will say almost any adjustable rocker is better overall, than the stamped steel rockers...
or if your going over 0.500" gross valve lift adj. rockers are recommended...
I do know guys that ran cams as high as 0.520" gross valve lift
with stamped steel OE style stock non adj. rockers, with no real issues,
but it's pushing the limitation of retaining the push-rods in the rocker recesses...

It frees up the valve train, especially if all the correct parts &
adjustments are performed properly...

You should probably check &/or change push-rods too,
some require a cup & ball style push-rod
the proper size, style & length push-rods {or rocker geometry}
over the center of the valve stems,
is a critical aspect, to get the most out of your combo, lifter preload is also important...

With adj. rocker & proper length push-rod, roller tip or not,
it gives you a way to precisely get the rocker tip over the center of the valve stem,
best throughout the full range of valve lift &
it also helps to set lifter preload {hydr. lifter}
or valve lash on a mechanical solid lifter camshaft,
than it's mandatory, to have the adjustable rockers...

Generally you'll also need hardened shafts too
{most Mopar shaft style roller rockers come with them now},
when going to a roller or adj. rocker, it helps also if you have allot of valve spring pressure,
like required on a high lift solid or roller camshaft application...

If you've had the block decked & heads milled machined/surfaced,
even if you stick with the OE stamped rockers, you should still check lifter preload,
you may have to shim the rocker shafts or get adjustable push rods or shorter push-rods...

Also the OE stamped steel rocker aren't actually accurately a "true 1.5:1 ratio"
they vary from ranging about 1.42:1 to about 1.48:1 ratios,
mainly because of mass production processing,
they are NOT as precise, but fine for mild performance use,
your giving up a little gross valve lift thou...

Roller tip rockers & even needle roller trunions {like on Harland Sharpe}
will free up like another "allegedly" 15-20hp, less friction & heat...
15hp is nothing to dismiss if your building a performance engine,
but it's more about accuracy/geometry thou...
But it's not critical on a street build, but doesn't hurt either...
Longevity may be an issue, some don't last very long...

I've ran Crane Super Gold roller tip rockers on almost all my projects
{I've had a few even bronze bushed} & haven't had any failures "yet",
I did have a set of the Crane {or Isky also makes them}
Ductile Iron Adjustable rockers {non-roller}
like used on the 413/426 Max Wedges, a while back, 7-8 years ago,
they had an issue with a bad batch of adjusters that weren't hardened properly
& broke one after about 100 miles...
Just get a good adjuster replace them if worn...

Make sure the adjusters on almost any of the aftermarket rockers roller or non-roller,
don't stick out of the bottom of the rocker, anymore than about 3 threads exposed "MAX"
or you will have an oil starvation issue in the cups on top of the push-rods &
bad wear issues or early failure
{if to get the proper lash or preload adjuters sticks out too much, it generally means your push-rods are too short} of the adjusters &/or push-rods,
it will also get/cause a ton of metal particles going thru the engine...

Good luck I hope some of the helps
 
Good advise Bud, for the most part it is a stock build, 440 .30 over, sealed power flattops w/valve reliefs, eddy RPM intake, hughes cam 111 lob sep, .518 lift intake .530 exhaust. 1-7/8 headers 850 Holly carb
, 4 speed.
I am going to buy 440 stealth heads,( Hughes said the spring they sold me ( single with a damper) would be fine, 440 Source says on their website that I need double springs...who to believe) now just need the rockers. Not a drag car, street only....local and highway driver. Have not purchased push rods yet...going to wait until the machine work is done on the block, I asked them not to deck it to much. then once we put things together we can measure how long the rods need to be.
So far so good.
 
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