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Titles

Dave L

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Hello All,Today I want to talk to you about titles.I have bought a car without a title.My wife said to me not in a kind way WHY DID YOU BUY A CAR WITHOUT A TITLE,and couple of more words.My friends all agreed you will never get a title.Well let me tell all my mopar buddies I got a title with hardly any hassels.I went to the local court house and the department of common pleas and explained to them I need a title. The lady looked at me and said ok fill out these papers,so I did.About a week or so went by and I got these go to court papers in the mail.SCARED to death about going worring, losing sleep, you know where I was i'm sure. So today was the big day. I goes to the court room 4 shaking in my shoes I'm glad I had my kind and understanding wife along.There was a few cases ahead of that me me more nervous than I already was.MY turn. I explained to the judge about me needing a title.I did have alot of paper work with me like the vin,bill-of-sale all that stuff you think the judge may want to look at including me wearing a suit and tie.No proplem she granted me new ownership of my car and said good luck on your restoration.So all you guys and gals that need titles try this. Keep restoring Dave L
 
I got a bonded title on mine. No title with sale. Paid about$100 for the bond. Sucks that I have to wait 3 years for the title to change over to regular title. But I do have the title in hand.
 
You are lucky. That might happen that way in Pa. but that would never happen out here. A few years ago a friend of mine bought a C-1 Corvette in pieces and untitled thinking it was a real good deal. Took over a year, tons of paperwork, and a couple of inspections and he was finally granted a title. It was a gigantic pain in the ***.
 

You’re in Washington State, and you can’t get a title? Is this new or just because of what county you live in?
Georgia will not title an older car if you do not have one.
No way, no how.
Georiga will only register the car, which seems strange to me in that they are missing a source of “revenue”. (Pay for Title AND registration. And more money under our new law too.)

I don’t freak out about titles on antique cars any more.
Evey state seems different. Establishing ownership in my state is what is important as far as I can tell,

If the state I live in wants me to have a title, they can give me one.
I have done the following.

  1. I have bought cars with no title and only a registration in Georgia. . I moved to Washington State. I took my Georgia registrations to the tag office to get tags. . The person behind the counter looked at my registration and said, “That’s all you have? Oh, you need a title”. And I was then issued titles in Washington State, no problem.
  2. I have bought a car in Georgia with no registration and only a bill of sale. I then got a “Vin Verification Form” from a LEO. The car, in fact, had a 1984 Georgia tag on it. But the car “didn’t exist” in the computer database. With the bill of sale and the VIN verification form, I have been able to register the car in my name.
  3. I have bought a car with a 1975 title, no registration and a bill of sale from a person not on the face of the title. The current owner was on the back of the title. It was signed over to him. And that is whom I have the bill of sale from. I will not make an attempt to “re-title” the car anyway because of Georgia’s new title transfer tax. And I also believe a “vintage” title adds story to the car. It shows owner history, that’s all.

There is not a doubt in my mind that I am the legal owner of any of my cars and I do believe that I could prove it in court if I had to.



You are lucky. That might happen that way in Pa. but that would never happen out here. A few years ago a friend of mine bought a C-1 Corvette in pieces and untitled thinking it was a real good deal. Took over a year, tons of paperwork, and a couple of inspections and he was finally granted a title. It was a gigantic pain in the ***.
 
All I know is what happened to my friend. What he bought was basically a pile of parts that he eventually assembled into a 62 Corvette. No title, no registration, no nothing except a handwritten bill of sale with no identifying numbers on it. There was a vin# on the steering column that may or may not have belonged to the rest of the parts. The state did eventually issue him a title after the car was assembled and he waited until the state determined that none of the parts were on a hot sheet.
 
Oh, that seems like a different situation.
But he was in a different state too.
Sounds like he just put a car back together and they made him jump through some hoops.




All I know is what happened to my friend. What he bought was basically a pile of parts that he eventually assembled into a 62 Corvette. No title, no registration, no nothing except a handwritten bill of sale with no identifying numbers on it. There was a vin# on the steering column that may or may not have belonged to the rest of the parts. The state did eventually issue him a title after the car was assembled and he waited until the state determined that none of the parts were on a hot sheet.
 
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Sure would be nice to have consistency across all 50 states, but everybody has to have a different standard. My policy is get the details on what the owner has, then go to the local DMV office and ask the receptionist to see a supervisor. When he/she comes out, tell them what you have and what your options are. Saves a lot of heartache.

BTW, wearing a coat and tie to court is the absolute best thing you can do to get in good with the judge. :)
 
Sure would be nice to have consistency across all 50 states, but everybody has to have a different standard. My policy is get the details on what the owner has, then go to the local DMV office and ask the receptionist to see a supervisor. When he/she comes out, tell them what you have and what your options are. Saves a lot of heartache.

BTW, wearing a coat and tie to court is the absolute best thing you can do to get in good with the judge. :)

I would have to dig to the back of my closet to even see if there was an old coat & tie back there. Might have to go to Goodwill. LOL.
 
Amen to consistency. But that might require federal intervention. I don't vote for that. The OP is from PA. My fear also is onerous laws .
I've heard some harsh things about PA laws from a friend there.
I think titles issued by sovereign states have the more pertinent purpose of showing liens. In many antique cars this is not an issue to be of concern. At least from what I can tell. They simply need resurrection and ownership is clear.
It is unfortunate that lack a state issued title causes trepidation.
 
If you buy a car that has no title and wish to obtain a easy title, Can you have a search done on the VIN number to be sure their are no liens or stolen and then transfer it to a state that does not require titles --and then transfer that back to your state, wouldn't that be OK? What states do not use titles?.........................MO
 
I was looking at buying a 75 Ford Gran Torino that a guy had bought without a title in South Carolina and brought with him to FL. He told me there would be no problem getting a title by using one of those titling services that do all the work, and it would only cost me about $100. Sounds great right?

I went to my local DMV office, and talked to the manager there, and here's what she told me. In order to get a title, I, or a title company, would need to contact South Carolina and obtain the name and address of the last known titled owner, and that's assuming the car was ever titled in South Carolina. Then they would need to contact the owner and document the car had in fact been sold. If the owner had passed away, they would need to contact the next of kin. All of this can be done, and is often done, but here's the risk: a title not only proves ownership, but also proves a car was sold. Without a signed title, there is no legally documentable proof that a car was ever sold, so if an owner, or owner's family member, wants to say "I/we never sold that car to anyone", they can. And if they did, I would be subject to having to surrender the vehicle and losing my money unless I could sue the person I bought it from to get it back.

This is a huge risk to collector car purchasers, especially the way this market works. Let's say you buy a collectable car that needs a title, that was owned by Joe Owner for decades and sold before he passed away. The title company does their thing, locates an heir, and says "hey, your Dad sold this car to Billy Buyer in Florida and he can't get the car retitled until you sign this form saying the car was sold, so if you could sign that and return it that would be great". There's nothing that compels that heir to sign anything, and worse... the heir might be a regular BJA watcher who says "hey, I saw one of those cars sold for $100,000 last week. I want it back" and say they never knew their pops sold he car and they want it back, and since there's no signed title, but merely a third party bill of sale, they have legal standing. And this risk isn't limited to heirs as unscrupulous sellers can do the same thing. As the DMV manager told me, proving ownership is a hassle, but proving the car was ever sold is a serious risk, especially when you're talking about collector cars.

My general rule is never buy a car without a title. If a new title was as easy to get as every seller claims it to be, they would have likely gotten one themselves. Unless the car is an obvious parts or racing car that no one would bother getting a title for, my assumption needs to be the owner tried to get a title and couldn't, and is now trying to offload their problem on me.
 
Hello mopar & missles,What do you mean buy I mistook the "L" for an "I". then the let down. Dave L
 
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About 8 years ago my mother bought her next door neighbors old abandoned house. The former owner had died and his wife was in a nursing home with Alzheimer's disease and they had not paid the taxes on the house for years so the Sheriff sold it for back taxes. After she bought it she called me and said there was "an old car" in the garage and wanted to know if I wanted it. Someone told her they thought it was a Cutlass. She said to bring some bolt cutters as the garage door was padlocked shut. I drove to her place and cut the locks off and opened the door and there sat a 1971 442 in reasonably good condition, but the car had no title so we called the Sheriff. He said to get an attorney to find out if the car was stolen or had any liens on it and if not then I must go before a judge with the documents and if all is well he will order the state to issue me a title. One problem was the state would issue a new VIN which I didn't want, so I spoke to a couple of guys who suggested using Broadway Title in Birmingham, AL. I contacted them, filled out the required paperwork, and sent their forms along with a police report signed by an officer of the law stating the car was not stolen and a check and in about three weeks I got a Georgia automobile registration form that I took to the license bureau and they issued me a clear title. Georgia does not issue titles on cars over a certain age.

Benji
 
How long since you did that bru?

Broadway has been bought out by mainely titles, and now requires a check of the NCIC database, which is getting difficult to get done, because law enforcement employees are running background checks on their relatives boyfriends, and departments are starting to mandate open case numbers for NCIC access.

That kind of sets up a worst case scenario of "let's open a stolen car case", in which YOU are the receiver of stolen property, until proven otherwise...

I'd be very hesitant about getting an officer I didn't personally know to run an NCIC check on a vehicle I had in my possession.

You would think for the up to $1000 broadway/mainely charges, that THEY would do the NCIC check!!
 
How long since you did that bru?

Broadway has been bought out by mainely titles, and now requires a check of the NCIC database, which is getting difficult to get done, because law enforcement employees are running background checks on their relatives boyfriends, and departments are starting to mandate open case numbers for NCIC access.

That kind of sets up a worst case scenario of "let's open a stolen car case", in which YOU are the receiver of stolen property, until proven otherwise...

I'd be very hesitant about getting an officer I didn't personally know to run an NCIC check on a vehicle I had in my possession.

You would think for the up to $1000 broadway/mainely charges, that THEY would do the NCIC check!!
$1000 bucks!!! Screw that
 
What did we do on Tuesday?

Mainely starts out at something like $350, then gets real expensive real quick, if you don't have a notarized bill of sale (I have a handwritten bill of sale), and can't or don't want to drag your car to the local police department for an inspection.

When I started the process, there was an extra cost "don't get the cops involved" option, but after paying for it, found out I still needed to arrange my own NCIC check ???
 
Hello mopar & missles,What do you mean buy I mistook the "L" for an "I". then the let down. Dave L

The thread is titled......TITLES. Take out the L and put in an I.
 
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