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Water Temp Gauge Not Working

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I am tracking down some electrical problems on my 70 roadrunner and need some help! The car has a rallye dash with a printed circuit board. Tic toc tac clock is not working but all other gauges have worked recently. Started having intermittent issues with the temp gauge, now it doesnt work at all. The wire has continuity from sending unit to the gauge cluster. What should I look for?

I'm trying to find an electrical underdash aftermarket gauge that will work with the stock sending unit so I can drive while working on the problem. Any recommendations? Thanks!
 
Diagnosing And Repairing Faulty Instrument Gauges

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Where To Start and How To Test
Let's say the temperature gauge doesn't work. First, never overlook the obvious. Is the thermostat stuck open? Assuming the engine warms up properly, move on to the diagnostic process. After checking the fuses, start at the sending unit. The diagnostic sequence is quite simple, but it requires an assistant sitting in the car. Disconnect the temperature-sensor wire from the temperature sensor, ground the alligator-clip end of your circuit tester, and have your assistant turn the ignition switch to the "on" position. The temperature-sensor wire should be "hot" (electricity flowing through it).

Briefly touch the inside of the terminal with the tester's probe end; if the tester lights up, the circuit is good, meaning no wires are broken. If you hold it a little longer, the needle should move slowly, indicating the gauge is good. Once you see needle movement, stop the test. The light-bulb filament in your tester should allow enough current flow to move the needle, but not enough to damage the gas gauge's voltage regulator during brief tests.

If the needle doesn't move, test the gauge by grounding the wire terminal using the alligator-clip jump wires. Ground the wire very briefly at first. Then, if necessary, ground it a little longer. However, use caution: Directly grounding the sending-unit wires for extended periods can burn out the gauge's circuit and/or the gas-gauge voltage regulator. If the gauge works, the sending unit is bad. (Many late-model cars utilize magnetic-type gauges that move quickly to their positions. Even briefly grounding these types of gauges will damage them.)

If the circuit is cold and the gauge doesn't work, it's either a bad gauge or bad wiring between the gauge and sending unit. Consult the wiring diagram and look under the dash for loose connections and broken wires. If you can see (and reach) the temperature-gauge terminals, test them both with the circuit tester.


With the key on, both should illuminate the tester when briefly touched. If the Power In side is hot and the "to the sending unit" side is cold, there's an internal break in continuity and the gauge is bad. If you can't get to the gauge terminals, continue looking for wiring problems under the dash, then move to the engine compartment. Use the wiring diagram to determine the correct terminals and test the temp-gauge wire at the firewall connector. If no problems are found and the connector tests cold, you can assume the gauge is bad.

If all three gauges simultaneously jump to full/high for a few seconds and then settle back to their original readings, the problem is probably the Instrument Voltage Regulator (IVR). (To upgrade your IVR to modern electronics, see the November 1992 issue of Mopar Muscle.) These separate IVRs should attach to the gas gauge on cars with Rallye Instrument clusters, and beside the speedometer on other models. The IVR has a heated bi-metal bar similar to those found in the gauges. As the bar moves, it forces a set of points open and closed to provide a steady flow of electricity to the gauge. The instruments see it as an average of five volts, what they were designed for. If the contact points stay open too long, you'll see simultaneous low readings, and if they stay closed too long, you'll see simultaneous high readings. If your regulator is built into the gas gauge, you'll probably have to have it professionally repaired.

Testing the gas and oil-pressure gauges requires the same technique with two exceptions. If the gas gauge works when testing/grounding out the sending-unit wire, make sure you have gas before pulling the sending unit. If an oil-pressure gauge tests good but doesn't move with the engine running, there are two ways to determine if it's an oil-pressure problem or a bad sending unit. The best, and cleanest, way to test oil pressure is to remove the oil-pressure sending unit and use a mechanical pressure tester. If you don't have access to one, pull the sending unit and have an assistant turn over the motor with the coil wire disconnected or briefly run the engine. If oil shoots out, the pressure is probably okay and the sending unit is bad. If it just oozes out, you have a serious problem. You can bypass this step and put in a new sending unit, but if it doesn't fix the problem, get out the paper towels.

If you have a bad gauge, pull the instrument panel. Disconnect the positive battery cable and cover the steering column with a towel to protect it from scratches.The whole job is easier if you remove the steering wheel. A shop manual shows how to disconnect and remove everything.

Place the panel face down and remove the plastic light bulb holders and the nuts on the gauge terminals. Take out the Printed Circuit (PC) board and inspect it for cracks. Then remove the back of the panel face and test the gauges. Two flashlight batteries placed end to end (3 volts) moves a good gauge up to about halfway. Three batteries push it to about 100 percent. The terminals on the back of the gas gauge are marked "A," "S," and "I." Test it with the "I" and "S" terminals. If it doesn't work, you can't fix it yourself, but Mike Freeman at D&M Restoration restores to like-new condition.

Do some housecleaning by restoring the panel face, instrument needles (we've found a 50/50 blend of flourescent orange and fluorescent red Testors model paint works well), and replace all the light bulbs, even if they work. Get replacement plastic bulb holders at the dealer or the local parts house. Before reinstalling the PC board, lightly scuff any place that needs a good connection (like bulb openings and gauge-terminal openings) with 600-grit sandpaper. Scuff the backsides of the nuts for a good connection when everything is reassembled. Follow these steps, and you should be able to embark on your next trip with complete confidence in your gauges. And you can leave the gas can at home.



Read more: http://wwwWith the key on, both should illuminate the tester when briefly touched. If the Power In side is hot and the "to the sending unit" side is cold, there's an internal break in continuity and the gauge is bad. If you can't get to the gauge terminals, continue looking for wiring problems under the dash, then move to the engine compartment. Use the wiring diagram to determine the correct terminals and test the temp-gauge wire at the firewall connector. If no problems are found and the connector tests cold, you can assume the gauge is bad.

If all three gauges simultaneously jump to full/high for a few seconds and then settle back to their original readings, the problem is probably the Instrument Voltage Regulator (IVR). (To upgrade your IVR to modern electronics, see the November 1992 issue of Mopar Muscle.) These separate IVRs should attach to the gas gauge on cars with Rallye Instrument clusters, and beside the speedometer on other models. The IVR has a heated bi-metal bar similar to those found in the gauges. As the bar moves, it forces a set of points open and closed to provide a steady flow of electricity to the gauge. The instruments see it as an average of five volts, what they were designed for. If the contact points stay open too long, you'll see simultaneous low readings, and if they stay closed too long, you'll see simultaneous high readings. If your regulator is built into the gas gauge, you'll probably have to have it professionally repaired.

Testing the gas and oil-pressure gauges requires the same technique with two exceptions. If the gas gauge works when testing/grounding out the sending-unit wire, make sure you have gas before pulling the sending unit. If an oil-pressure gauge tests good but doesn't move with the engine running, there are two ways to determine if it's an oil-pressure problem or a bad sending unit. The best, and cleanest, way to test oil pressure is to remove the oil-pressure sending unit and use a mechanical pressure tester. If you don't have access to one, pull the sending unit and have an assistant turn over the motor with the coil wire disconnected or briefly run the engine. If oil shoots out, the pressure is probably okay and the sending unit is bad. If it just oozes out, you have a serious problem. You can bypass this step and put in a new sending unit, but if it doesn't fix the problem, get out the paper towels.

If you have a bad gauge, pull the instrument panel. Disconnect the positive battery cable and cover the steering column with a towel to protect it from scratches.The whole job is easier if you remove the steering wheel. A shop manual shows how to disconnect and remove everything.

Place the panel face down and remove the plastic light bulb holders and the nuts on the gauge terminals. Take out the Printed Circuit (PC) board and inspect it for cracks. Then remove the back of the panel face and test the gauges. Two flashlight batteries placed end to end (3 volts) moves a good gauge up to about halfway. Three batteries push it to about 100 percent. The terminals on the back of the gas gauge are marked "A," "S," and "I." Test it with the "I" and "S" terminals. If it doesn't work, you can't fix it yourself, but Mike Freeman at D&M Restoration restores to like-new condition.

Do some housecleaning by restoring the panel face, instrument needles (we've found a 50/50 blend of flourescent orange and fluorescent red Testors model paint works well), and replace all the light bulbs, even if they work. Get replacement plastic bulb holders at the dealer or the local parts house. Before reinstalling the PC board, lightly scuff any place that needs a good connection (like bulb openings and gauge-terminal openings) with 600-grit sandpaper. Scuff the backsides of the nuts for a good connection when everything is reassembled. Follow these steps, and you should be able to embark on your next trip with complete confidence in your gauges. And you can leave the gas can at home.



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Have you replaced the sensor at the water pump? They do go bad, Had similar problem with my 69 and it was simply the sensor. I have aftermarket gauges as well so have two temps now.
 
After cleaning all connections a light film of dielectric grease will prevent problems later
 
Thanks all, I picked up a VDO gauge from summit. I'll definitely use some dielectric grease on the boot connector as well. I replaced the sending unit, but the gauge still doesnt read. I shook the connector at the back of the dash and it would work intermittently, so that's most likely where the issue is. I plan on doing some more work on it this weekend, thanks for the Allpar link, Pops.
 
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