Where could I find 318-440 Conversion Motor mounts and a Oil pan?

[Najib]

So I have been troubled. I am looking for small block to big block motor mounts and a oilpan that will fit properly with it.

(edit) Sorry its late and forgot to put car details lol, I have a 73 Charger Sports Hardtop, Has a 318 in it and a 727, I am looking to do a 440 swap and right now im building the 440. Comp Cams Xtreme cam flat tapped, tunnel ram with dual efi carbs, Pretty mild setup just for street.

I am trying to find a oil pan that will work and wont come in colision with anything
and trying to find conversion motor mounts, i seen some on ebay but it said it was for 72 b body. I am guessing they made some sort of change? Not too sure. I just dont want to take the gamble

 

[Najib]

What are you working on? Are you putting a Ford 460 in a Chevy Chevette? How about a Buick 455 in an Opel GT ?


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You made the classic mistake that TOO MANY people make.
You jumped in and asked for help without giving any decent information on what car you have, what equipment it currently has and what your overall plans are. Your post is not going to garner you much help.
Read the following and let it sink in:
NObody here is a mind reader.
Your efforts are like a guy that goes to a doctor and says "I don't feel good", then refuse to say anything else. You are not the only one that has this problem though. I have seen several other newbies do the same thing here recently. IT is not the way to ask for help.
People here are often eager to help. I have been the recipient of some excellent advice and creative solutions BUT when I ask a question, I express myself so that the others have a clear idea of what I'm dealing with.
Your post had none of that.
You will need to do better if you want someone to give you the help that you need.
Your problem should NOT require the others to interrogate you and drag out more information. It is your responsibility to provide the information. You can do better.

Ya sorry, Im sure it gets old for you seeing so many of them lol

 

[MoparLeo]

Dual quad/e.f.i. tunnel ram, mild build just for the street... That was funny even back in the 60's and 70's when people tried to do that seriously. Tunnel ram manifold. Ever use one ? What rpm range do you think they were designed for ? Talk to a few "good" engine builders and ask their thoughts before you pour in the money.

 

[BeepBeepRR]

I'm not familiar to the 73 K-member but I stuck my 440 into a 71 Satellite with a 187 pan and everything cleared. The mounts were old style like used on a 66-70 440-383. You may have those spool type mounts.

 

[Curiousyellow71]

The bb k member 73+ is different then the small block. A stock mount won't work well. Guys have made them work the engine sits crooked and leans. Also you will need to take a small chunk out of the fenderwall on the bottom right corner, I think its toward the back pass side. Shoemaker did make mounts but have retired. It may be that someone else has something available? The left mount is nearly in the same spot for a 440 or 318. I would do a little fabricating to the right mount and get some bb spool mounts 73 and later. Keep the driverside mount where it is and the transmission mount stock and relocate the right one.
Try mancini and 440 source as they list more information on there pans and motor mounts.

 

[toolmanmike]

A wanted thread here would be a good place to start.

 

[Darter6]

US Car Tool bought the rights to Schumacher conversion stuff and is available thru them.

 

[forphorty]

Dual quad/e.f.i. tunnel ram, mild build just for the street... That was funny even back in the 60's and 70's when people tried to do that seriously. Tunnel ram manifold. Ever use one ? What rpm range do you think they were designed for ? Talk to a few "good" engine builders and ask their thoughts before you pour in the money.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1303-tunnel-rams-on-the-street/ https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/mopa...ut-a-tunnel-ram-on-a-stock-440-safely.201990/ https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/tunnel-ram-question.1093010/

 

[Najib]

Dual quad/e.f.i. tunnel ram, mild build just for the street... That was funny even back in the 60's and 70's when people tried to do that seriously. Tunnel ram manifold. Ever use one ? What rpm range do you think they were designed for ? Talk to a few "good" engine builders and ask their thoughts before you pour in the money.

Dual quad/e.f.i. tunnel ram, mild build just for the street... That was funny even back in the 60's and 70's when people tried to do that seriously. Tunnel ram manifold. Ever use one ? What rpm range do you think they were designed for ? Talk to a few "good" engine builders and ask their thoughts before you pour in the money.

a tunnel ram is very street able. As long as you have enough cam and you set your EFI Carb to self tune and you enter the cubic inch, etc into the computer for the efi it self tunes it easilly, and With a stall converter along with ported 906 heads

 

[MoparLeo]

duplicate

 

[MoparLeo]

440. Comp Cams Xtreme cam flat tapped, tunnel ram with dual efi carbs, Pretty mild setup just for street.

Didn't answer the question though. Just now saying if you have enough cam etc...I personally have run more than one 400 and 440 tunnel ram builds in the early seventies and though there was no electronic fuel injection like today the basics don't change. Not a happy camper on the street unless you are into the pedal all the time. Looks good but nothing is free. Constantly chasing something. A street car normally has to be able to idle for periods of time and a high stall converter builds heat and can be a pain in stop and go driving.
It is either a street car or it is a track car. Otherwise it is a trade off. The tunnel ram set-up is done mainly for the "look" because it is not a practical setup for normal street driving. The article quoted gave no details other than the peak hp which was at 6200 rpm may move 400 rpms blah, blah, blah.. Are you really going to drive at that rpm on a "mild street setup" ?
I was serious about talking to a real person (builder) experienced with that type of set-up. You can always take anything you read in a magazine with a grain of salt. Nobody would buy a magazine that told you it was bad, not what people want to hear. They don't give magazines away, they sell them.
The efi computer can't cover up the wrong cam, cr, head setup, etc...It is the icing on the cake. It is the engine combination, torque convertor, rear gearing, tire diameter etc.. that determines what the computer has to work with.
I hope it works out for you the way you think it will.

 

[Najib]

Didn't answer the question though. Just now saying if you have enough cam etc...I personally have run more than one 400 and 440 tunnel ram builds in the early seventies and though there was no electronic fuel injection like today the basics don't change. Not a happy camper on the street unless you are into the pedal all the time. Looks good but nothing is free. Constantly chasing something. A street car normally has to be able to idle for periods of time and a high stall converter builds heat and can be a pain in stop and go driving.
It is either a street car or it is a track car. Otherwise it is a trade off. The tunnel ram set-up is done mainly for the "look" because it is not a practical setup for normal street driving. The article quoted gave no details other than the peak hp which was at 6200 rpm may move 400 rpms blah, blah, blah.. Are you really going to drive at that rpm on a "mild street setup" ?
I was serious about talking to a real person (builder) experienced with that type of set-up. You can always take anything you read in a magazine with a grain of salt. Nobody would buy a magazine that told you it was bad, not what people want to hear. They don't give magazines away, they sell them.
The efi computer can't cover up the wrong cam, cr, head setup, etc...It is the icing on the cake. It is the engine combination, torque convertor, rear gearing, tire diameter etc.. that determines what the computer has to work with.
I hope it works out for you the way you think it will.

thanks for the advice I am mainly doing it for the power not the looks, I am looking to drive it to the store etc and go to tracks on the weekend with it, the head size I’m going with I know for sure will work but the cam I may put a retro fit cam not sure yet.

 

[Jc cooper]

Hope it works for you (quote) , from experience I can tell you that on this site is 100’s of experienced ben there and done it Guys , good advice is cheap if adhered to , otherwise it can be a very costly, way to go ! Just Saying! Good Luck

 

[Najib]

US Car Tool bought the rights to Schumacher conversion stuff and is available thru them.

Thank you! They are out of stock though. So I will wait until they are. However Transmission wise what I need the big block 727 mounts?

 

[Najib]

The bb k member 73+ is different then the small block. A stock mount won't work well. Guys have made them work the engine sits crooked and leans. Also you will need to take a small chunk out of the fenderwall on the bottom right corner, I think its toward the back pass side. Shoemaker did make mounts but have retired. It may be that someone else has something available? The left mount is nearly in the same spot for a 440 or 318. I would do a little fabricating to the right mount and get some bb spool mounts 73 and later. Keep the driverside mount where it is and the transmission mount stock and relocate the right one.
Try mancini and 440 source as they use list more information on there pans and motor mounts.

https://www.manciniracing.com/mara440resuo.html <-------- I found this from Mancini, If im not mistaken factory they were rear sump pans so I would imagine it would fit. Whats your input on it?

 

[forphorty]

https://www.manciniracing.com/mara440resuo.html <-------- I found this from Mancini, If im not mistaken factory they were rear sump pans so I would imagine it would fit. Whats your input on it?

That will not fit. Rear sump is for trucks.

 

[Curiousyellow71]

Originally they had a 971 pan with sump in the middle. If your talking tunnel ram on a performance engine I would seriously consider getting a 6 or 7 quart probably aftermarket like a moroso, or milodon. May have to tweek the front side of the pan so it's clears the small block k member.
Here is a picture of the mod on the fenderwell. I believe all transmission mounts are the same. The 727 is longer then a 904 but the mount is in the same spot and also is picture of the out of stock oem pan. I would think plenty of used pans would be available as they used this pan in c bodies of the same era...I think.

 

[Curiousyellow71]

I think the front may need to be tapped in on this pan w your small block k member, or a k member mod...it looks like the sump gets pretty far forward.

 

[Master Gunner]

I can say with absolute confidence that a 402 pan will NOT fit a 73 and up K frame, been there, done that, and no way will fit.

Mark