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Aluminum Radiator Options

Tyron68

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I posted a separate thread on temperature issues I am having, that have gotten worse since adding a vintage air kit. I am looking at aluminum radiator upgrade options from my OEM 26" radiator. Car currently has a 440, but it was originally a 318 car ( so it has 318 core support). Do they make an aluminum radiator that can just go right in without any mods to core support? Any suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
 
You can get the same radiator for less if you paint it yourself or leave it aluminum.
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I have used the ECP 26" radiator in my two '70 Chargers.

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The stock 26" shroud fits. This was under $300 shipped to my place. It uses stock hoses and has a trans cooler.
 
Installed one in the Road Runner almost exactly like the one Jerry posted looks OE but its aluminum. Wanted to keep it stock looking and not have a big old bright aluminum radiator installed. Also the shroud fit nicely to it. So its plug and play.
 
I've seen Flowkooler water pumps in a number of threads so that seems to be a highly recommended product.
 
I'm using a FlowKooler water pump in my Roadrunner with a fairly stout 512 cu inch build and it works well. I recommend giving that a try. ruffcut
 
I'm using a FlowKooler water pump in my Roadrunner with a fairly stout 512 cu inch build and it works well. I recommend giving that a try. ruffcut
Ruffcut, are you running that with a stock radiator? Thanks
 
Tyron68 sent me a PM about his problem. I'll repeat my answer here based on my 60 years working on hot rods. Your experience may be different...

I don't know where to begin but I'll give it a shot.
1) What is the exact temperature the engine runs at as measured with a mechanical gauge?
2) Realize that a cooling system with 50/50 coolant /water and a 16lb. pressure cap won't "overheat", as in puke its fluid, until close to 260*.
3) Are you using a factory water pump for A/C and a factory water pump housing?
4) Are you using factory drive pulleys?
5) Is the Vintage Air condenser installed the recommended distance from the face of the radiator?
6) Is the mechanical fan installed so that it is 1/3 to 1/2 inside the new shroud?
7) If you have an A/T do you have an accessory transmission cooler?
8) If the engine actually "overheats" have you put in a new 180* Super Stant thermostat?
9) What is your setting of initial and total timing? Too far retarded or too far advanced will affect operating temperature.
10) What do the sparkplugs look like? Do they look like they're running lean, as in almost white porcelain around the electrode?
There are so many things that can affect how hot an engine runs. I recommend buying a cheap IR temperature gun from Harbor Freight and using it to pinpoint the temperature of the coolant returning to the top of the radiator after the thermostat opens. Then check the bottom hose temperature as the coolant is returning to the engine. You can also use it to see if there are any "hot spots" in the radiator where it may be internally clogged, by scanning the face of it. For reference I look for +-50* difference.
I currently have a 26" Griffin aluminum radiator (2 rows of 1 1/2" tubes) and an inexpensive Dual 12" Summit fan/shroud set-up that works great. I also have a FlowKooler water pump in an aluminum water pump housing. I've had many different set-ups in my car over the years that worked fine, and a few that didn't. Attention to every detail, as outlined above should save you lots of money from "throwing parts" at the problem. Then again, my car runs at 195*-200* in our 100*-108*summer temperatures. It never "overheats" or spews coolant when left idling for extended time periods. I used to think that cars should run at 160* to 180*, and that may work with a stock engine, but as the horsepower goes up, so does the heat. I'm very happy with my set-up.
 
See this?

Tyron68 sent me a PM about his problem. I'll repeat my answer here based on my 60 years working on hot rods. Your experience may be different...

I don't know where to begin but I'll give it a shot.
1) What is the exact temperature the engine runs at as measured with a mechanical gauge?
2) Realize that a cooling system with 50/50 coolant /water and a 16lb. pressure cap won't "overheat", as in puke its fluid, until close to 260*.
3) Are you using a factory water pump for A/C and a factory water pump housing?
4) Are you using factory drive pulleys?
5) Is the Vintage Air condenser installed the recommended distance from the face of the radiator?
6) Is the mechanical fan installed so that it is 1/3 to 1/2 inside the new shroud?
7) If you have an A/T do you have an accessory transmission cooler?
8) If the engine actually "overheats" have you put in a new 180* Super Stant thermostat?
9) What is your setting of initial and total timing? Too far retarded or too far advanced will affect operating temperature.
10) What do the sparkplugs look like? Do they look like they're running lean, as in almost white porcelain around the electrode?
There are so many things that can affect how hot an engine runs. I recommend buying a cheap IR temperature gun from Harbor Freight and using it to pinpoint the temperature of the coolant returning to the top of the radiator after the thermostat opens. Then check the bottom hose temperature as the coolant is returning to the engine. You can also use it to see if there are any "hot spots" in the radiator where it may be internally clogged, by scanning the face of it. For reference I look for +-50* difference.
I currently have a 26" Griffin aluminum radiator (2 rows of 1 1/2" tubes) and an inexpensive Dual 12" Summit fan/shroud set-up that works great. I also have a FlowKooler water pump in an aluminum water pump housing. I've had many different set-ups in my car over the years that worked fine, and a few that didn't. Attention to every detail, as outlined above should save you lots of money from "throwing parts" at the problem. Then again, my car runs at 195*-200* in our 100*-108*summer temperatures. It never "overheats" or spews coolant when left idling for extended time periods. I used to think that cars should run at 160* to 180*, and that may work with a stock engine, but as the horsepower goes up, so does the heat. I'm very happy with my set-up.

THIS is a man trying to help. Members that go out of their way to help you find your way are a great asset to the hobby.
 
I posted a separate thread on temperature issues I am having, that have gotten worse since adding a vintage air kit. I am looking at aluminum radiator upgrade options from my OEM 26" radiator. Car currently has a 440, but it was originally a 318 car ( so it has 318 core support). Do they make an aluminum radiator that can just go right in without any mods to core support? Any suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Be careful with Auto City Classic radiators. The one they sell for 63-64 B body isn't close to fitting. Yours is a different year but be careful
 
Griffin radiator's is what my buddy's are using. I had problems after installing the classic air. The compressor would not let me move the fan any further towards the motor and ate a radiator. Had to vamp my brackets for the compressor to move the compressor back more. USA copper brass rad in now. Still running around 190 when driving in hot temps. Wish I could get it around 180 like my buds are running. Good luck on the quest.
 
I to like Griffin radiators, but the OP was looking for a cost effective alternative. I have never had a problem with a Griffin, and the ACC's I have installed work well too. Both are large two tube radiators with the Griffin being a little larger. Ofcourse a proper working cooling system is mandatory @coloradodave laid out that process excellently. I have many original cars with stock 3 row copper/brass radiators with no problems. My Superbird with the stock 956 radiator which is probably the hardest B body to make work correctly, works great. It was in the mid 90's Saturday when I drove it about 60 miles round trip and it didn't get above 190 in heavy, slow traffic.
 
I'm also running a ECP with a Flowkooler and have been impressed how it keeps the engine at the right temperature range , even in stop and go traffic.

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The lesson I've tried to learn is not to throw parts at a problem trying to hit a solution. I've done that a lot in my lifetime and find that it's much more satisfying to diagnose a problem correctly and replace just what's necessary. A new radiator will only fix a problem if the old radiator was the problem! It's not fun to spend $200 or $600. on a new part just to find out that you still have a problem. Buy or borrow a mechanical gauge to determine if you have a problem. Don't base a diagnosis on what a 50-60 year old factory gauge shows.
One thing I forgot is to make sure the rubber seal is in place at the top front of the radiator/core support so that incoming air doesn't dive up and over the radiator instead of through it.
 
I'm running the ECP radiator also. I still think two rows of 1" tubes cool better than three rows of tubes.
Let's see some actual temperature numbers instead of speculation that proves your premise. Remember....it's the number of fins per inch (between the tubes) that does the cooling not the size of the tubes......
BOB RENTON
 
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