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1/8 mile Drag = a drag....

HorryMorry

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I went to the local dragstrip (Gulfport Dragway) today during one of their bigger events (King of the Coast) only to find out that they where/are running 1/8 mile vs 1/4. I have to say I am not a fan...every wednesday all the local boys come out and put on a hell of a show running bracket races at the full 1/4 and if your a spectator it only runs you $7. Today I paid $15 to see a bunch of folks run the 1/8.

Now I'm not much of a mathematician but I'm fairly sure I just paid over 2X the $$$ for half the distance. Not to mention it was only the racers there VS every wednesday where the whole town comes out to watch. The bleachers were absolutely empty and after a few 1/8 mile passes I completely understand, the 1/8 mile run is just plain to short as a spectator.

Bring back the 1/4 Mile!!
 
I agree. People try and tell me what their car runs in the 1/8th mile and it means nothing. People tell me they have a 12 second car it w 10 second car in the quarter. I get that.
 
I've never liked eighth mile. But since the pros have gone to 1000 feet, you better get used to it. The greenie movement is affecting everything.
 
I dont think that is a green movement thing. The 1000 foot thing is for safety. They instituted that after kalitta died. 1/8th mile racing has been around for as long as i can remember. Its just getting more popular for some reason. I guess if youre doing it, its fun. Watching it sucks if you grew up on quarter mile.
 
I don't mind 1/8th if the cars are setup for it. I find it hard to watch 1/4 mile cars try because it's 1/8th mile day, and who has the time or money to change rear gears each week.
 
Not only do I dislike watching 1/8 mile racing but I also dislike running it and the only thing I hate worse is racing/watching throttle stop crap....
 
Maybe they could meet somewhere in the middle. 1/8-1/4. Don't know where that would be.
 
Maybe they could meet somewhere in the middle. 1/8-1/4. Don't know where that would be.

just guessing here---3/16 mi.

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I don't mind 1/8th if the cars are setup for it. I find it hard to watch 1/4 mile cars try because it's 1/8th mile day, and who has the time or money to change rear gears each week.

you got that right. 1/8 mi is purpose built but screwed for the street and 1/4 mi.. last fall we had arm drop racing on a saturday and i wasn't beat or even close to it, 1/4 mi.. the next day, sunday, i went to our local strip, shannonville, and i got spanked on the 1/8 mi.. my 2 cars have 3:90's with o/d tranny's for street and strip. i knew it was going to happen but oh-well.
 
I dont think that is a green movement thing. The 1000 foot thing is for safety. They instituted that after kalitta died. 1/8th mile racing has been around for as long as i can remember. Its just getting more popular for some reason. I guess if youre doing it, its fun. Watching it sucks if you grew up on quarter mile.

I understand its for safety but the danger was part of the gig. Every time they/we strap in and head down the track there is a chance things go wrong and thats just part of racing.

But you nailed it on the head, if your doing the 1/8 it could be fun, but watching it just comes up short...by about half LOL
 
I just do see any fun in racing 1/8th mile either. May as was just run 60 foot times!? If you are just a hair late in leaving, you're beat with virtually no chance of running the top end. I've won lots of rounds because of a car that didn't have a good top end charge and mine did. At least in 1/4 racing, you can at least play with the person in the other lane lol
 
Realistically, most street races back in the day were over in about 1/8 mile. Red light to red light kinda stuff.
 
Realistically, most street races back in the day were over in about 1/8 mile. Red light to red light kinda stuff.
Yup, but we all longed to get on the 1/4 mile and do some 'serious' racing. Most of my street racing was usually over in less than a block lol but then there were some that lasted well over a 1/4 of a mile :)
 
too many tracks are gone already

I dont think that is a green movement thing. The 1000 foot thing is for safety. They instituted that after kalitta died. 1/8th mile racing has been around for as long as i can remember. Its just getting more popular for some reason. I guess if youre doing it, its fun. Watching it sucks if you grew up on quarter mile.

A little of subject, bare with me... :iamwithstupid: Good points Hemi Rebel, but Actually allot of 1/8 mile/660ft tracks are on much smaller pieces of property too & cheaper family owned & ran facilities, very old in many cases, not all are just shortened 1/4 mile big dollar tracks... I really like to run both, you need a different set up for both, totally different animals... I many times made some pretty good money, match racing 1/8 mile tracks @ many smaller facilities, mostly in the South, between races traveling from Calif. & back, it really helped support my race cars, "any track is better than no track, at all".... But I prefer 1/4 mile/1320ft for all professional classes & would like to see the rules change, in the only 2 classes, both Fuel/Nitro, that are the only ones currently running 1000ft T/F & F/C go back to a full 1/4 mile... The track shortening was a knee jerk reaction, to the absolute stupidity of the NHRA/E-Town track operators, putting a stupid "damn crane at the end" of Englishtown shut down area, just beyond the catch net, that Scott Kalita's T/F dragster ultimately hit after his car stretched the safety net, when the chutes opened too late & car wasn't slowed down enough {very similar to Fremont/Baylands demise & a wrongful death suit}, to close to the net, for the net stretching & it's ability to stop it... The 320 ft shortening to 1000ft, was supposed to be just temporary, untilthey could figure out whay they were all blowing up at the 1000ft range in the 1320ft era... IMHFO it isn't really any safer now, except for a couple of older NHRA Sanctioned tracks, with very short shut down areas, they just push the Nitro cars "harder earlier" now, much more clutch/tire technology/expense & they just blow up at the 800ft mark now in the 1000ft era, instead of blowing up at the 1000ft mark of the 1320ft-1/4 mile era... IMHFO they almost all still drive it out the back door, to nearly 1320ft anyway, for MPH #'s & the little round bonus points, for high MPH.... IMHFO all Professional classes, should have a smaller engines now{maybe like 431-450ci limit} like they had years ago {shorter strokes, can handle more RPM's, with out exploding}, maybe mandate a lower gear ratio {limit speed & not ET}, maybe take some fuel pump away {only 1 single pump}, maybe limit the blower sizes & overdrive {maybe 12-71:1 or no Hi-Helix rotors, no 40%-50% overdrives, like in many cases}, maybe limit them less Nitro %'s {like 80%, instead of 90%+}, maybe go back to a single plug heads & a single Magneto ignitons systems {less spark they can't burn as much fuel}, these are just a few examples of how they {NHRA} could make it much safer & probably even much more competitive once again, in all Fuel/Nitro Classes again {even some similar rule changes in P/S & P/SM}, maybe be able to get more people back into Nitro Classes T/F & F/C make it a "slight bit more affordable", have larger fields, instead of just a couple super 3 or 4 car teams, like it's become now.... IHRA & AHRA {granted they're not as fast or competitive as NHRA equivalents} they still runs 1320ft-1/4 mile at select tracks still in their Nitro Categories, no deaths or horrendous wreckage.... there's more than one way to skin a cat, food for thought... sorry rant over... my $0.02 cents

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I went to the local dragstrip (Gulfport Dragway) today during one of their bigger events (King of the Coast) only to find out that they where/are running 1/8 mile vs 1/4. I have to say I am not a fan...every wednesday all the local boys come out and put on a hell of a show running bracket races at the full 1/4 and if your a spectator it only runs you $7. Today I paid $15 to see a bunch of folks run the 1/8.

Now I'm not much of a mathematician but I'm fairly sure I just paid over 2X the $$$ for half the distance. Not to mention it was only the racers there VS every wednesday where the whole town comes out to watch. The bleachers were absolutely empty and after a few 1/8 mile passes I completely understand, the 1/8 mile run is just plain to short as a spectator.

Bring back the 1/4 Mile!!

LOL... yeah it's kind of a screwing, with out a reach around...
 
Yeah lets cut the motor size, then we will put them all in the same body and only change the stickers from brand to brand.
Now that would be innovative. uh no, on second thought That would be Nascar.
 
Yeah lets cut the motor size, then we will put them all in the same body and only change the stickers from brand to brand.
Now that would be innovative. uh no, on second thought That would be Nascar.

Yeah that would be NASCAR, I didn't say anything about making everyone run the same body styles or making everyone run 358ci, restrictor plates or templates... I was making suggestions on how to get more activity, more participation, more affordability & make it safer... I've traveled drag raced for 35+ years, in one form or another, those are my thoughts/opinions, from years of seeing the big cubic $$$ super teams evolve & on how we could get back to 1/4 mile professional NHRA drag racing in all the Fuel/Nitro categories too... At least I add something to the conversation, be it right or wrong, those are my opinions & like *** holes, everyone has one...
 
Early reply was right on. The Greenies have infiltrated. And, the Lawyers.
 
Alright, so it's safe to say that we all like 1/4 over 1/8 mile tracks. Unfortunately two of my closest tracks are 1/8s, so we live with it and only do destination races for 1/4 mile. I don't think it's always an environmental issue though for building these 1/8 milers. Some of these tracks have been around since it was o.k. to smoke when pregnant. I think it's mostly a cost issue to build and maintain more than twice the distance (longer shut-down) track. Or there just isn't the space to run the long track. We've heard all the cons on this topic so I'll throw up a few pros. Someone pointed out that you see half the distance of racing but the racers get twice the amount of passes. I've gotten over 20 passes in a weekend at the one track I go to if they open a T/O lane. This is actually great for testing new parts and straight up seat time to fine tune your program. There also tends to be a lot less breakage with the short track which translates to less clean-up and less down time. At least we're able to get out there and race which beats the hell out of talking about it.
 
I'm slowly learning to like 1/8 mile racing because it's all we really have left in SoCal. Yeah, the performance standard to me will always be a 1/4 mile ET. However, all the important stuff - burnout, staging, launch, shifting is all happening in the first 1/8 mile of a 1/4 mile race anyway. Unless you're running some 3.23s or something I bet you are already in third gear by the 1/8 anyway so what's left to do? And most street/strip cars probably aren't still pulling that hard in the last 1/8 - more of the intense acceleration is happing in the first 1/8. I think 1/8 mile racing is a little closer and intense for that reason because you don't have room for errors, you can't just make it up on the top end if you make a mistake at the start.
 
the only thing I hate worse is racing/watching throttle stop crap....

amen to that...

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Early reply was right on. The Greenies have infiltrated. And, the Lawyers.

I don't know about the greenies...LOL..., I'm sure their are some tracks effected by environmental impact issues, it's enevitable... But IMHFO the safety concerns/personnel, damn greedy lawyers & paranoid insurance companies, even some govt. regulations, I'm sure are making it very hard on smaller track facilities to operate, or survive with at a decent profit margin, to be able to keep tracks alive/open, make all of their other operating costs.... Nearly 50% {or more in some cases} of race entry fees or spectator gate fees, all goes for insurance &/or safety personnel/ambulances that are required {even the port-a-potties}, the rest is to operate the track make, payments, track maintenance/up-keep, multiple bills & payroll, some is made up in food/drink concessions & memorabilia sales, with usually very minimal profit margins, in the long run 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile... that's my $0.08 cents now

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Alright, so it's safe to say that we all like 1/4 over 1/8 mile tracks. Unfortunately two of my closest tracks are 1/8s, so we live with it and only do destination races for 1/4 mile. I don't think it's always an environmental issue though for building these 1/8 milers. Some of these tracks have been around since it was o.k. to smoke when pregnant. I think it's mostly a cost issue to build and maintain more than twice the distance (longer shut-down) track. Or there just isn't the space to run the long track. We've heard all the cons on this topic so I'll throw up a few pros. Someone pointed out that you see half the distance of racing but the racers get twice the amount of passes. I've gotten over 20 passes in a weekend at the one track I go to if they open a T/O lane. This is actually great for testing new parts and straight up seat time to fine tune your program. There also tends to be a lot less breakage with the short track which translates to less clean-up and less down time. At least we're able to get out there and race which beats the hell out of talking about it.

very well said
 
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