1971 Superbird

[Robert Schaad]

??? DISRESPECT on this site ???
I have found that members of this site are pretty THICK skinned. Usually
Knowledge is king, so pass it around when you can.

OK. I do not think i know everything. I have just run into a lot and try to give members an idea of what i have done to solve a problem. Almost 30 years in Germany, i had to solve a lot of problems with out NAPA and other parts stores available. But I have gotten some bad comments from other members. It hurts me when they attack me for saying something they disagree with. Thanks for being one that understands and just gives information without disrespecting me. Thanks for the great information.

 

[Aeronet]

In '71 NASCAR rules said that the Ford Talladegas, Mercury Cyclone Spoilers, Plymouth Superbirds, Dodge Charger Daytonas and Charger 500s could only have 305 cubic inch engines, thus making them uncompetitive. That number 22 Daytona raced at the '71 Daytona 500 with a Keith Black 305 small block. The car actually led the race a few laps. It was involved in a wreck that ruined its chance of winning.
Chrysler wind tunnel tested 3/8 scale models of '71 Chargers and Road Runners with various nose and wing configurations. They were called the G series. You can read all about it and see pictures on Aerowarriors.com.

 

[Robert Schaad]

In '71 NASCAR rules said that the Ford Talladegas, Mercury Cyclone Spoilers, Plymouth Superbirds, Dodge Charger Daytonas and Charger 500s could only have 305 cubic inch engines, thus making them uncompetitive. That number 22 Daytona raced at the '71 Daytona 500 with a Keith Black 305 small block. The car actually led the race a few laps. It was involved in a wreck that ruined its chance of winning.
Chrysler wind tunnel tested 3/8 scale models of '71 Chargers and Road Runners with various nose and wing configurations. They were called the G series. You can read all about it and see pictures on Aerowarriors.com.

Thanks for the information.

 

[Aeronet]

You are welcome.

 

[chargervert]

So if they did, then what is a 305 engine decal mean?

They put the 305 cubic inch decals on the hood,because that is what engine Petty would have had to run if he had actually built and raced a 1971 Superbird. Gary and Pams car is actually running a modern Dodge RP5 Nascar engine,which in size and appearance is similar to the 305 cubic inch engine that was used in the #22 1969 Daytona in 1971.

 

[Robert Schaad]

They put the 305 cubic inch decals on the hood,because that is what engine Petty would have had to run if he had actually built and raced a 1971 Superbird. Gary and Pams car is actually running a modern Dodge RP5 Nascar engine,which in size and appearance is similar to the 305 cubic inch engine that was used in the #22 1969 Daytona in 1971.

I just could not understand what a 305 Was? Thank you for the information. It is now clear. Being about 30 years in Germany, I missed so much.

 

[tblmax]

I remember that a 1971 Superbird was actually designed and produced. The wind tunnel test is on line. I think it was Richard Petty racing. I know the 426 was no longer being used because it was TOO fast and Chevy cried to have it outlawed from Nascar. The 71 had a 305 v8 in it. Can anyone tell me what that was?

A guy near me built one.

I remember that a 1971 Superbird was actually designed and produced. The wind tunnel test is on line. I think it was Richard Petty racing. I know the 426 was no longer being used because it was TOO fast and Chevy cried to have it outlawed from Nascar. The 71 had a 305 v8 in it. Can anyone tell me what that was?

A guy near me built one. He can answer your questions. 71wingcars.com

 

[Durandal25]

They are currently selling the street car versions of the 71 Superbird,and Daytona that they built. Checkout their website,71 wingcars.com

...is it...expensive....?

 

[chargervert]

...is it...expensive....?

More than I can afford!

 

[John B]

OK. so a guy sees the MOPAR literature one day and builds one based on what they had planned before the winged warriors were banned.

I saw a spread in one of the MOPAR mags 15? years ago about how a guy decided to build this car after finding literature from the factory on the car that was never built. That being said it had a few anomalies like his own cast 6-Pack intake for a Hemi that never was and he installed a power sunroof with a jig he made that was previously been only available as "factory" install (dispelling a myth of them not being on fender tags), some have claimed power sunroofs that weren't on the tag and people thought it couldn't have been aftermarket. I really liked the article as it went into depth on the build, his original findings on "what could have been" and he had a hot blonde wife that helped him with the build.

 

[chargervert]

It's all my fault, I am the guy who showed him the 71 G series aerocar report and talked him into building them. We took a model of a 71 Charger, and used scotch tape,and taped the nose and wing from a Superbird model onto the 71 Charger model, and after seeing the model, he was convinced!

 

[Photon440]

 

[mopar 3 B]

I have a better looking 71 Daytona model than that. If it were not buried in the model cabinet I would post the picture.

 

[mopar 3 B]

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That one built in Wisconsin?

 

[PolyJon]

The 71 recreation got well messed up!
I have a great love of fuselage cars especially 71/72’s.
I saved a 71 Gtx from the crusher back in the 90’s because folks just don’t understand them...
So what went wrong with the 71 birdie?
The nose is way too high, as anyone that knows about AERO will tell you!
They just followed the original lower body line upwards to form a ‘snob-nose’...
How stupid!!!
Take it off and start again lol...

Forcing air under the front at 200+ mph would lift the front wheels off the ground, just ask Bob Riggle what that feels like...

 

[mopar 3 B]

The 71 recreation got well messed up!
I have a great love of fuselage cars especially 71/72’s.
I saved a 71 Gtx from the crusher back in the 90’s because folks just don’t understand them...
So what went wrong with the 71 birdie?
The nose is way too high, as anyone that knows about AERO will tell you!
They just followed the original lower body line upwards to form a ‘snob-nose’...
How stupid!!!
Take it off and start again lol...

Forcing air under the front at 200+ mph would lift the front wheels off the ground, just ask Bob Riggle what that feels like...

Doesn't take a nose cone. All of you out there that likes the stock nose up and tail down look. Just think about of the amount of air it pushes under the car. Then consider why your B body becomes unstable at speed.

 

[Photon440]

'71 Superbird in a wind tunnel:


...and the original 1970 reports:
https://aerowarriors.com/gswtt.html

 

[PolyJon]

Nice video but, it’s a street car kinda set-up.
Car is high off the road surface, with a huge spoiler that would scrape the ground on a race car.
With that size spoiler, a flat front ‘aka C500’ with moved forward lamps would have worked real good methinks...

 

[butterscotch71]

Same husband and wife (Gary and Pam) also built this and took it to over 200 mph...I believe they know what they're doing...

 

[Dibbons]

I'm using the MPC model I purchased as a guide for nose cone.