1975 Roadrunner, the last real runners - anymore out there?

[Micah Pohlman]

What is the Fifth digit of your vin? P is the hp engine for export with no cat converter. N is for USA

What? P is for the HP400, N is 4bbl and M is 2bbl. Those have nothing to do with sales location. The "I" on the fender tag means export, "C" is Canada and "U" is USA.

 

[69Coronetrt]

This may help....

440 NA in 75 Fury (B body). Grand Fury (C body) only.

 

[69Coronetrt]

 

[Micah Pohlman]

74 yes. 75 no. 75 P code was export only.

This should help clarify all of this. Most likely my RR has never been outside of the US. The export status comes from where it was sold. Again, most likely, this was bought by a US service person while stationed over seas. You could then, just like now, order a car over there from a dealer and have it delivered anyplace in the the States when you were scheduled to get back. Because the deal was done outside of the US it was (had to be?) labeled as an export vehicle. Sometimes that changed the emission standards, in 75 there was a charcoal canister and that's about it. There may have been other things that needed to be different depending on it's final destination too but I can't speak to that too much (lights, tires, nameplates etc.). But as far as normal production options nothing was different. There was nothing different with the VIN. Unless you see the fender tag and/or the build sheet 99.9% of people would never know that the car was intended for export because that was the only place that it was documented.

 

[69Coronetrt]

KB5 was a standard 75 Fury color. Apparently available all year. A medium blue *B5 was always a popular color. The shade changes a little over the years. EB5, GB5, KB5, MB5.......

 

[Micah Pohlman]

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I'm not saying they didn't make police cars. The terminology of "police something something engine" is not what Mopar did in this era of the 70's. 440 were available in B-bodies. I have seen them and I have tried to buy them. They were not an available option for the 2 doors. However this was still the time when money could get you things that you couldn't get. The right dealer knowing the right person at the factory could get something put together that was not available. I know of a Magnum with a slant 6, that can't happen, but it did. (That is a story for another day). So in theory a 75 RR could have had a 440, but it would have been a very difficult to make that happen.

 

[Micah Pohlman]

KB5 was a standard 75 Fury color. Apparently available all year. A medium blue *B5 was always a popular color. The shade changes a little over the years. EB5, GB5, KB5, MB5.......

My 1975 Plymouth dealer option selection book specifically notes that color as not available Fury. The only reason I could think of why that would not be available is due to supplier issues or something with a specific assembly line. But I don't know why for sure.

 

[droptop]

What? P is for the HP400, N is 4bbl and M is 2bbl. Those have nothing to do with sales location. The "I" on the fender tag means export, "C" is Canada and "U" is USA.

On Jan 1, 1975 the US mandated all cars sold in the US will have a cat converter. The P code 400 has a free flowing dual exhaust meaning no cats. Therefore they could only be sold as export if sold after 1/1/75. Only the N code 400 is 50 state legal after that date.

 

[69Coronetrt]

So in theory a 75 RR could have had a 440, but it would have been a very difficult to make that happen.

In theory, I could be king of England.

There is far too many ifs and butts to that scenario plus voiding warranties, breaking emission laws, jeopardizing franchises, etc etc.

Unicorns need proof.

 

[69Coronetrt]

My 1975 Plymouth dealer option selection book specifically notes that color as not available Fury. The only reason I could think of why that would not be available is due to supplier issues or something with a specific assembly line. But I don't know why for sure.

Post the info.

 

[mopwrd340]

IN 1975 all cars were mandated to have cats but chrysler figured out a way to get around it . I had a p code 76 Cordoba no cats it said in the doorjamb non catalyst the only thing it had was a Air pump on it even the ear had a block off plate on it that's it . I just found a 75 p code Cordoba the engine is all original just like mine looked these cars have been in virginia all there life . the Little red truck got away with no cats till 78 ,

 

[YY1]

I thought N was the CA 400-4.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Photon440]

IN 1975 all cars were mandated to have cats but chrysler figured out a way to get around it . I had a p code 76 Cordoba no cats it said in the doorjamb non catalyst the only thing it had was a Air pump on it even the ear had a block off plate on it that's it . I just found a 75 p code Cordoba the engine is all original just like mine looked these cars have been in virginia all there life . the Little red truck got away with no cats till 78 ,

1975 cars weren't mandated to have cats, rather they were mandated to meet a certain level of exhaust emissions. Fitting a converter was the easier fix but some manufacturers found certain engine/car combos that would work without the expense of this device. My dad bought a 1975 Chev Malibu without cats, and a sticker on the sun-visor specifically mentioned that it was built that way and could use leaded gas.

 

[Hemirunner]

I had a 78 that was real............


......rusty.....

 

[Islandkent]

I just read up on this thread. To each his own.
Well I love my 80' Volare with the "Roadrunner" package. Had it since I was 17. Wouldn't part with it for the world. Lived my life around it.
1980 was the last year they put Roadrunner decals on a Plymouth. lol

 

[barbee6043]

^^^^^ I agree, the 68 RR had emblems, the '80 had decals.... the other difference was just HP!!!!!! The 80's had cool graphis, spoiler, ect, the 69 had a taxi interior!!! lol

 

[Micah Pohlman]

On Jan 1, 1975 the US mandated all cars sold in the US will have a cat converter. The P code 400 has a free flowing dual exhaust meaning no cats. Therefore they could only be sold as export if sold after 1/1/75. Only the N code 400 is 50 state legal after that date.

Not all cars had to have cats on, most did, but not all! Build code N38 - 75 to 80 Non-catalytic exhaust system. Build code N92 - ESA less catalyst. Build code N93 - Less ESA, less catalyst. My 78 Cordoba is a P code car too with FACTORY single exhaust.

Govier's little white books are a great source of straight from the factory factual information about build codes, vins, production numbers etc.

 

[Micah Pohlman]

Post the info.

One more thing to look for in the storage unit when I get there this weekend. I used to know exactly where it was but then I remodeled half the house and I can only think I know what door it's behind?

 

[Micah Pohlman]

1975 cars weren't mandated to have cats, rather they were mandated to meet a certain level of exhaust emissions. Fitting a converter was the easier fix but some manufacturers found certain engine/car combos that would work without the expense of this device. My dad bought a 1975 Chev Malibu without cats, and a sticker on the sun-visor specifically mentioned that it was built that way and could use leaded gas.

Leaded gas, really? Was it a Canadian car? I know Canada could get Leaded cars until the early 80's. Oh wait a second, I figured it out. Anything with out cats could still run lead, the cats would plug up with leaded gas. So it makes sense that it said it could use it, not specifically that it was supposed to use it.

 

[pioneer61]

318 car. Road wheels, but previous owner decided to keep them and put on the Chrysler road wheels which i think look pretty good. Had an original Kansas bicentennial plate on it, but someone decided to take it.