Thanks folks. Man, I'm glad I'm on your side. When I looked at his motor, and remember, I'm fairly new at all this, and he's telling me about how he stroked it, I noticed the heads and valve covers. All stock. The valve coverslooked no bigger than ones I've seen on a 318. They just looked small. What caught my attention was the ugly gray paint Pontiac uses as well. He is kind of limited with what he can do because he puts it in shows and has to keep as much of it stock as possible. He came over one day to look at my 68 Charger and dismissed it with a sneer. He didn't like the suspension system Mopar used (I do) and was not impressed. I plan to have the 383 stroked, aluminum heads, the works. You guys alerted me to a stroker company in the Midwest and they say I can take the 383 to 489 cubes (listed as 496) it will run great, and leave the goat in a ditch. I'm a "type B" person normally but, when he got reall snotty with me when I introduced myself, put his hands around my neck because my wife has a foreign car, and dismissed my projects, I need to uphold the Mopar family so its on. Can't say when (money money money). But I have received some great help on this forum.