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426 wedge vs 440

I have a 1962 Plymouth belvedere that i was planning on giving a 572 hemi (4.5" bore and stroke) because icbc (local insurance company) lets you be within 2 years for your components and still get collectors plates. Even though the '64 belvedere got the 426 hemi, i believe it was only for NHRA racing not for the public, but it did get the 426 wedge. And to avoid the headache of dealing with the insurance company ill go wedge. I read on the "426 wedge education" page that its the same as 440 just with smaller bore. So if i built a 440 and gave it that sexy cross ram intake, would it be indistinguishable from a 426 wedge from just looking at it? I ask because Jims auto parts offers a 4.5" bore 440 block and i havent found anyone selling a 426 wedge block so if they're the same it seems to me like a no brainer to just get the one thats my desired bore and ready to be assembled. Link is to the jims auto parts block im looking at:

https://www.jimsautoparts.com/mopar_performance_blocks.htm
I know of a gear head that has a 426 HP wedge engine (1963) with heads, cross ram manifold, with carbs and linkage, and the factory exhaust manifolds. He told me once that if anyone has to ask how much for the engine, the guy can't afford it.
 
I know of a gear head that has a 426 HP wedge engine (1963) with heads, cross ram manifold, with carbs and linkage, and the factory exhaust manifolds. He told me once that if anyone has to ask how much for the engine, the guy can't afford it.
Lol sounds about right
 
Do whatever you want and the F**K with ICBC because them a** clowns dunno sh*t from banana's !

Case in point....
ICBC would NOT grant me a 'collector' plate for my 1969 Charger R/T SE survivor shown here.

WHY you ask ? the 'reasons'.....
1.) because I would NOT repaint the #'s Original never touched UN-REBUILT 440 Magnum's Intake Manifold where the Choke Stove heat has burned off the paint.
You know.... the small area beside the Carb where the Choke Stove is to heat the Bi-metal Choke is ?
ICBC wanted me to REPAINT the Intake Manifold on a UN-touched 'survivor' Car that still even has the original Exhaust System on it !
2.) ICBC wanted me to remove the faded original Jack/Trunk sticker and replace with a "new" one ??????
3.) ICBC wanted me to remove the original 1970's vintage Gas Station Oil Change stickers from the door jambs

Try as I did.... ICBC could not understand what the term 'survivor' means ?

So all the 'Collector' plate is for...... IMO, is so ICBC can track Sales more closely and collect their 12% TAX on every classic car resale !

SCREW ICBC and do whatever you wish Engine-wise and leave it Registered as a DRIVER !


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Do whatever you want and the F**K with ICBC because them a** clowns dunno sh*t from banana's !

Case in point....
ICBC would NOT grant me a 'collector' plate for my 1969 Charger R/T SE survivor shown here.

WHY you ask ? the 'reasons'.....
1.) because I would NOT repaint the #'s Original never touched UN-REBUILT 440 Magnum's Intake Manifold where the Choke Stove heat has burned off the paint.
You know.... the small area beside the Carb where the Choke Stove is to heat the Bi-metal Choke is ?
ICBC wanted me to REPAINT the Intake Manifold on a UN-touched 'survivor' Car that still even has the original Exhaust System on it !
2.) ICBC wanted me to remove the faded original Jack/Trunk sticker and replace with a "new" one ??????
3.) ICBC wanted me to remove the original 1970's vintage Gas Station Oil Change stickers from the door jambs

Try as I did.... ICBC could not understand what the term 'survivor' means ?

So all the 'Collector' plate is for...... IMO, is so ICBC can track Sales more closely and collect their 12% TAX on every classic car resale !

SCREW ICBC and do whatever you wish Engine-wise and leave it Registered as a DRIVER !


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I've had 2 survivor cars and never had a single issue in getting collector plates. The pictures I took were what ICBC wanted and at no time did they mention anything about repainting or removing anything. My current car has an inspection decal from the state of Georgia in the lower left part of the windshield. No issues with that. I had my 74 Challenger in a classic car show one time, and got hell from a judge because I had repainted my valve covers after I had installed new gaskets. Both cars were as they were when sold new. No after market parts inside or outside. Picture of my Challenger attached. Purchased in 2002 from the original owner, had 32000 miles on it. There must be some other reasons for not wanting to issue collector plates. Current car 1988 Olds Cutlass GT. All stock.

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Be careful! the Max Wedge has notches at the top of the cylinders for larger Exhaust valves in the Max wedge heads and the Valve covers are 4 bolt. I have one in my 63 Sport Fury
 
Yeah i dont think the street belvederes got hemi's until 65, while i do wanna be able to say yes to the "hey that things got a hemi?", collectors plates means more to me and i dont wanna jeopardize that at all.. if they're still being made i think there were some after market 440 heads that were used for a "hemi conversion" and i could always look into those
I don't understand what your Ins. company has to do with Collectors plates. In Ohio Collector or Historical Vehicle license plates come from the state.
 
I don't understand what your Ins. company has to do with Collectors plates. In Ohio Collector or Historical Vehicle license plates come from the state.
One thing it does, is save you a lot of money over normal insurance. Yes there are restrictions, but nothing that to me is a big deal. With collector plates, you can't drive the car to work on a regular basis. There are other examples, but I can drive my car anywhere I desire when I want. Both the Challenger and the Cutlass are only driven in the Spring/Summer and early fall. Once the hint of nasty weather comes, the car hits the garage, with just storage insurance on it. To the best of my knowledge all members in the car club I belong to do the same thing. The Insurance company wants your car to be original to get collector plates. No aftermarket anything. Any add-ons will/can take it out of the collector class. For example, the Challenger came with an AM radio, single speaker up front, single speaker in the back. If I wanted to say upgrade the radio to a more modern system, the radio would have to be hidden(usually in the glove box).
The car is supposed to be factory stock, as delivered by the dealer to the first owner. The system is not perfect by any means, but my experience has been nothing but positive. I do what they ask, and typically the collector plates are available to me within 2 weeks.
 
I have a 1962 Plymouth belvedere that i was planning on giving a 572 hemi (4.5" bore and stroke) because icbc (local insurance company) lets you be within 2 years for your components and still get collectors plates. Even though the '64 belvedere got the 426 hemi, i believe it was only for NHRA racing not for the public, but it did get the 426 wedge. And to avoid the headache of dealing with the insurance company ill go wedge. I read on the "426 wedge education" page that its the same as 440 just with smaller bore. So if i built a 440 and gave it that sexy cross ram intake, would it be indistinguishable from a 426 wedge from just looking at it? I ask because Jims auto parts offers a 4.5" bore 440 block and i havent found anyone selling a 426 wedge block so if they're the same it seems to me like a no brainer to just get the one thats my desired bore and ready to be assembled. Link is to the jims auto parts block im looking at:

https://www.jimsautoparts.com/mopar_performance_blocks.htm
Forgot to mention something. I know of more than one guy over on the mainland that would pop the hood of your car and tell you right away that it was a clone. Lots of stuff on those cars that were unique to those cars and not used on any others.
 
I don't understand what your Ins. company has to do with Collectors plates. In Ohio Collector or Historical Vehicle license plates come from the state.
Here you have to apply through whatever insurance company, and ecerything has to be stock.. or at least appear stock ;)
 
Forgot to mention something. I know of more than one guy over on the mainland that would pop the hood of your car and tell you right away that it was a clone. Lots of stuff on those cars that were unique to those cars and not used on any others.
Yeah i think the 4 door belvedere only came with an i6, maybe the 318 but definitely not a wedge, but i think ill be able to slip under icbc's radar with that one
 
Why not just tell everyone the truth?? Novel concept but I know I'd sleep better. After all if you never tell a lie you never have to remember what you said and to whom.
Just saying.
 
Yeah i think the 4 door belvedere only came with an i6, maybe the 318 but definitely not a wedge, but i think ill be able to slip under icbc's radar with that one
Thats not true. I know of an eighty+ year old lady with a baby blue survivor 62 belvedere four door with a 318 poly, and i have no doubt there were 361s in fourdoors too.
 
I don't understand what your Ins. company has to do with Collectors plates. In Ohio Collector or Historical Vehicle license plates come from the state.
In our province, the insurance company (ICBC, Insurance Corporation of British Columbia) is a crown corporation. If you want to have a vehicle registered, drive it or park it on public roads, you go through ICBC. Only. You have no other choices for getting a car on the road (although you may elect to go to a third party insurance company for additional or optional insurance after purchasing the basics from ICBC if you wish) , and they issue the plates, take care of driver's licensing, vehicle inspections and such.
 
One thing it does, is save you a lot of money over normal insurance. Yes there are restrictions, but nothing that to me is a big deal. With collector plates, you can't drive the car to work on a regular basis. There are other examples, but I can drive my car anywhere I desire when I want. Both the Challenger and the Cutlass are only driven in the Spring/Summer and early fall. Once the hint of nasty weather comes, the car hits the garage, with just storage insurance on it. To the best of my knowledge all members in the car club I belong to do the same thing. The Insurance company wants your car to be original to get collector plates. No aftermarket anything. Any add-ons will/can take it out of the collector class. For example, the Challenger came with an AM radio, single speaker up front, single speaker in the back. If I wanted to say upgrade the radio to a more modern system, the radio would have to be hidden(usually in the glove box).
The car is supposed to be factory stock, as delivered by the dealer to the first owner. The system is not perfect by any means, but my experience has been nothing but positive. I do what they ask, and typically the collector plates are available to me within 2 weeks.

I use ICBC for nothing but the most basic/cheapest cover which costs diddly.... and I use a std NON-Collector plate as I like to drive my Car when-ever I want and where-ever I want.... NO restrictions whatsoever but it's understood as NOT my primary vehicle obviously.
I then had my Car appraised and insured by Hagerty for the full value amount... which at $100K CND was some hoops/detailed Pics/appraisals but well worth not having to deal with ICBC wanting Intake Manifolds painted, Door Jamb sticker's removed... and all the utterly stoopid **** that an ICBC supervisor who called me back apologetically said.... "we really don't have a Collector plate category for the higher dollar amount survivor vehicles, really our Collector plate expectation is 'restored' condition"
 
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