69 A12 Roadrunner - What Do You See That I Don't?

[MCODECUDA]

I'll take a look at it sometime this week. There was something that I didn't like about this car when I looked at it some months ago and I think that it may have been the color.

 

[wedge69]

I love how thay say FRAME OFF restoration ! My 69 dosn't have a frame that you can unbolt from it ? But thats a sales pitch ?

 

[69Coronetrt]

yep ! X2

The VIN falls in the range of A12 cars. While pretty rusty, the tag looks legit. I don't see any problems with it.
I can't speak to the actual car or restoration.

 

[68 HEMI GTS]

since were nit picking, some more stuff i noticed. for that price i think it can be picked apart

besides for the already mentioned, wheel lip moldings, color, under hood appearance, wheels, air cleaner, exhaust tips

plymouth emblem on the trunk lid instead of roadrunner. those are post type so the lid is probably off a belvedere
lack of seat medalians on the bench seats
wrong accents on grille and tail lights
looks to be a 70 steering wheel, although its hard to tell from the pics
someone painted the inst bezel black
really crappy looking chrome on the dash switches

 

[HT413]

I see us all picking this car apart and for once, i think we're in the right. The A12 is the Holy Grail, and this guy had one and... made it look like a clone.

 

[69Coronetrt]

Not to be an *** but.....

If it's a tribute it should say that.

and he is right a real a12 would fetch much more.


Wrong - from quick glance
paint
wheels
no tach in dash Tach was an option
trunk matt
Wrong air cleaner set up
Colum shift auto should be floor mount hurst ball 4 speed. Why? It's coded as an automatic.


probably more not an a12 expert only a wannabe Wrong radiator. Should be an 054. Heater hoses are routed wrong

my 69 has a lift off fiberglass hood does that mean I can call it an a12? No way! I decided to not even call it a tribute since it is so far off. Now I just call mine badass fun.

.

 

[dsd1967]

You notice the vin tag rivets don't look like rosette rivets. They look more like rivets that have had the sides ground flat...and nice brush paint job on the dash over the vin tag

 

[69Coronetrt]

The fender tag seems suspect for more than just condition. 69 to 71 fender tags start with the engine code. Reading bottom line left to right it should start with e85.

The Lynch Road plant used a different layout than other plants. That appears to be a perfectly legit original A12 RR tag. Did it come on this car? I don't know but I see nothing wrong with the tag.

 

[Hemi Rebel]

You're right. I got some bad info. This book is proving to be a pos.

 

[69Coronetrt]

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This book is proving to be a pos.

And that's being kind.

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

I am taking a closer look at that fender tag and man does it seem way out.

TAKE A GOOD UP CLOSE LOOK I GET THIS. I even found one decoder that says the A12 code can be =

A12	Chrysler 300-Hpkg 70 only

Personally I think the fender tag is wrong the vin looks stamped to match the fender tag like he said the rivets look wrong. Maybe some one else can take a look.

This is pissing me off so much I want to call the cops!:angryfire:



1411 279033 94295111

(3)?26 999 93

26 A12

F3 F4(?) F2X X9


X(?)(R?)M21 E(?)63 D32 426 948614


If what I think I'm seeing is right this car is all wrong!

D32:
Dodge Polara,Monaco
Unknown
Unknown


426: Unknown
1972
Newark, DE, USA


948614: Sequence number


RM21: Unknown
E63: 383 cid 4 barrel V8 H.P. 335hp
F3: Fiesta Green Poly Exterior Color
F4: Trim - Luxury, Vinyl Split Bench Seat, Unknown Color
F2X: Unknown Int. Door Frames
X9: Build Date: 9
: Order number


26: Unknown Top Color
A12: 69 only 440 Six Pack Engine Package


326: Unknown
099: Unknown
93: Unknown


14F11: Unknown
279033: Unknown
942951: Unknown

 

[FJ5 Road Runner]

The Lynch Road plant used a different layout than other plants. That appears to be a perfectly legit original A12 RR tag. Did it come on this car? I don't know but I see nothing wrong with the tag.

The tag layout is legit although if you look closely at the "2" on the "A12" and compare it to the other "2"s on the tag,it looks slightly different.Could be that way from the factory but so many things on that car set off alarm bells.
As another poster mentioned,the VIN plate rivets on the dash don't look original at all and going by the condition of that plate and the fender tag,the car it came off of must have been pretty rough.I'd guess that it's a rebody.The oddball Lynch Road fender tag does match the dash VIN plate and the car was originally green,F3 or F8 hard to tell.

 

[kdtjb]

A12s started as 383s, E63 on the fender tag. They were then coverTed to A12S which over rides the E63 on the tag

Yep I think that's true.

 

[Hemi Rebel]

And that's being kind.

I got it at carlisle years ago. Its out of print now. Go to amazon and see what its priced at. I would find Paul herd and kick his teeth down his throat.

 

[69Coronetrt]

I am taking a closer look at that fender tag and man does it seem way out.

TAKE A GOOD UP CLOSE LOOK I GET THIS. I even found one decoder that says the A12 code can be =

A12	Chrysler 300-Hpkg 70 only

Sales code A12 was used in 1969 for the 6bbl package. For 1970, Sales Code A12 was used for the Chrysler 300. Sales codes changed year to year.


Personally I think the fender tag is wrong the vin looks stamped to match the fender tag like he said the rivets look wrong. Maybe some one else can take a look.

This is pissing me off so much I want to call the cops!:angryfire:



1411 279033 94295111 two digit gate, three digit base, six digit sequence number and the remainder of the VIN: 9A280111

(3)?26 999 93 Engine code 926 B body 383-4BBl Automatic transmission. 999=special axle 93 Automatic transmission behind a 383/440HP

26 A12 26" radiator and A12 sales code package

F3 F4(?) F2X X9 Cant tell either. could be F3 or F8. H2x = black vinyl bench seat interior. X9 inner upper door frames painted black to match interior


X(?)(R?)M21 E(?)63 D32 426 948614 RM21= RR 2Dr coupe. E63=383-4bbl (all A12s code this. They were conversions) D32=Automatic transmission 426= one of two SPDs used for A12 cars. 948614 = VON number

Again, I see nothing out of the ordinary for an A12 car.
The sequence, VIN and VON all fit.
If you see something that doesn't jive with an original tag, chip in and say why.

Did it come on this car. I don't know

 

[RS23VOA]

I will gladly sell my book. Its nearly mint!

The fender tag AND the dash tag are suspect in my book. As rusty as the fender tag is, its barely legible except for the "A12". I didn't look at any of the other pictures after looking at those two. If the fender tag is that rusty, then the rest of the car was too. I'd say its priced for someone to make a quick, uneducated move on an A12 car thinking they got a deal.

For that money, RC's car would be a better bet.

 

[tallhair]

The A12 looks fine to me and it is in the middle of the tag which would be the last area to rust more than likely from rusted tags I've seen .. although I'm sure there are exceptions.

It doesn't appear to me the rest of the tag was cleaned very well and maybe old paint wasn't even removed before they repainted it .. probably for fear of losing more detail and the paint looks very thick along top and bottom

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For that money, RC's car would be a better bet.

X2

 

[hunt2elk]

For that money, RC's car would be a better bet.

You're right about that, RC's car is 100 times better than this one. Well maybe not 100 times, but I would take his over this one any day. Wish I had the cash laying around because it would be in my garage.

 

[Meep-Meep]

That wasn't a nice car before the restoration or most likely a rebody. I did notice the very rusty fender tag and the VIN tag was painted over with the dash. Red flags all over the place. If you are interested in the car, and you have verified what is there is good, then offer accordingly. "Good" meaning all repair work is done by skilled people (proper welds, body work, etc..) and offer accordingly means add up the special parts (six pack, hood, etc..) but don't put too much value on a body that may not be genuine. Does it have the rad support VIN stamping? Also there is a VIN stamping in the trunk seal lip on the driver side not far from where the trunk light bracket is.

 

[67GTX440]

I did notice that the first 1 in the VIN does not seem to match the last 3 1's in the VIN.