70 Charger headlight doors, need advice.

[70ozziecharger]

Need advice guys,
My 1970 charger headlight doors open when turned on but won't shut when turned off.....motor or relay? if relay, where is it located?. Also, anybody know what the correct Carter 4 barrell carb was for the 383 charger, anyone have a secondhand one for sale?
Thanks
Dave

 

[70WM21 W1 V6B]

My bet would be the electric motor and it should be right in the middle below hood latch crossbar,easy to get to, pull it off and have it bench tested. It is NOT a vacuum set up like 69's were. as for the carb there were a number of different carbs for it being "Correct" most 70 HP 383's had Holleys.
Factors were trans, with or without a/c, emissions etc etc etc.

But if you wanted a Carter the best bet is to get an Edelbrock performer it is virtually the same carb with a different name

 

[70ozziecharger]

Is the headlight motor servicable or not? Is the relay in the motor?. Also in relation to the carb it's an auto with A/C and emission controls (californian car). I need the car to be original because in South Australia they are pretty hard on left hand drive registration being a right hand drive country. We can register cars older than 30 years LHD but they have to be original. It's got a Holley on it and Weiand manifold but I need original.

 

[72 Charger SE]

Is the headlight motor servicable or not? Is the relay in the motor?. Also in relation to the carb it's an auto with A/C and emission controls (californian car). I need the car to be original because in South Australia they are pretty hard on left hand drive registration being a right hand drive country. We can register cars older than 30 years LHD but they have to be original. It's got a Holley on it and Weiand manifold but I need original.

Take a look at the rebuild in this thread by another member

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=7282

Also, I believe that all Mopars from 1970 to about 1980 that had hideaway headlights used the same electric motor, in case you need to search for parts.

 

[70WM21 W1 V6B]

Is the headlight motor servicable or not? Is the relay in the motor?. Also in relation to the carb it's an auto with A/C and emission controls (californian car). I need the car to be original because in South Australia they are pretty hard on left hand drive registration being a right hand drive country. We can register cars older than 30 years LHD but they have to be original. It's got a Holley on it and Weiand manifold but I need original.

In the case of the carb, how would they know what is correct or not? Do they have a list?

Here are two that I came up with Holley R4369A or Carter 4732S Both are for 70's with A/C without ECS. Be advised you are looking for a needle in a haystack with california emissions carbs. You will be lucky to come up with the ones listed above that are still good 40 years later, as far as being correct original. You may just want to get one from a parts store that applies to that general application, bolt it on and let them tell you "Deal or No Deal".

 

[70ozziecharger]

The problem with the Holley carb in South Australia is that I would need some form of document to prove to the rego people that this model charger came with a Holley. Everytime these parasites see a Holley on an American car over here they think it's an aftermarket one. Can you or nayone else email any spec sheet that highlights the Holley?

 

[70WM21 W1 V6B]

The problem with the Holley carb in South Australia is that I would need some form of document to prove to the rego people that this model charger came with a Holley. Everytime these parasites see a Holley on an American car over here they think it's an aftermarket one. Can you or nayone else email any spec sheet that highlights the Holley?

I will copy the page right out of the 70 Chrysler parts book for you and send it to you no problem. You are aware that that is a small single feed Holley, Not a big dual feed 780 or anything :grin:

 

[70gtx440dana]

Is the headlight motor servicable or not? Is the relay in the motor?. Also in relation to the carb it's an auto with A/C and emission controls (californian car). I need the car to be original because in South Australia they are pretty hard on left hand drive registration being a right hand drive country. We can register cars older than 30 years LHD but they have to be original. It's got a Holley on it and Weiand manifold but I need original.

Headlight motor is rebuildable. The relay is screwed to under side of the dash right under the headlight switch area. I have attached a couple photos so you know what you are looking for. You should be able to test the motor. Disconnect it from the under hood harness and jump it to the battery (I think). Maybe someone else will know an exact test procedure.

 

[70WM21 W1 V6B]

1970 Carb Listings

In the Mopar parts books Chargers fall under the "W" Coronet Charger designation.

Here 4 (X) to choose from that I think would apply to your Charger, 2 with ECS and 2 w/o ECS to give you the widest selection.

Interesting Note: the very 1st listing at the top is for 70 E Bodies WITH Shaker Hoods & 70 B Bodies with a Ramcharger or Air Grabber Hood ONLY. "w/f/air" = with fresh air hood.

 

[70ozziecharger]

The carb chart is just what I needed, your a Legend !! I wonder now if the Holley on the car is original, will check this weekend.

Also, thanks 70gtx440dana for the relay photo it's a big help. Just need to start working out what's wrong.

 

[70WM21 W1 V6B]

The carb chart is just what I needed, your a Legend !! I wonder now if the Holley on the car is original, will check this weekend.

Also, thanks 70gtx440dana for the relay photo it's a big help. Just need to start working out what's wrong.

Your welcome...a dinosaur maybe...a legend noway

 

[6pktgo]

You can leave your headlight motor in the car to test it. You will first need to run a wire from the ground spade on your headlight motor to the negative post on your battery and secure it. Then disconnect the male/female plug ( two wires mouled in one plug ) Now secure a wire about 3 feet long to the positive post on your battery. ( Do not let the other end of this line touch the car anywhere ) Now bare the end about a 1/2 inch ,of your 3 foot positive line and carefully touch the male side of your plug on the headlight motor. Now place the 1/2 inch bared end inside the female part of this plug. You should get one way opens and one way closes.If the happens then first check your ground for the headlight motor. If it`s ok then move to the common problem of the rusted up relay. Hope this info is of some help. Good Luck

 

[70ozziecharger]

Thanks, this sounds like a quick and easy test, I'll try it this weekend.
Regards
Dave

 

[gkirksey]

This post was helpful. My motor definitely works when connected to the battery. Any advice on how to address the relay?

Thanks.

 

[KnoGood]

Hi Dave,

To your second question, a Carter AVS 4401S came with a '69 383 engine that I have and would sell. It has not been rebuilt but is in good shape.

Patrick