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70 cuda title and tags and block

fat-lip-resto

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Hey guys I have a 70 cuda 340, body was crushed by the pole barn it was in I pulled the suspension and what parts I could out of it, I cut the section of rad support and cowl out with the numbers on it. I have the original block, vin, fender tag and title. My question is what to do with it can I sell the stuff or are my tags and title worthless.
 
I would think taging another vehicle with that stuff would be illegal ( underhanded to say the least) but I'm sure there is probably a market for it
 
I just remember a black hemi cuda selling at bj a few years ago and they disclosed that the car was rebodied so im not sure if it is illegal or not, I think dynacorn is going to make a cuda body soon could I use the stuff with that?
 
I just remember a black hemi cuda selling at bj a few years ago and they disclosed that the car was rebodied so im not sure if it is illegal or not, I think dynacorn is going to make a cuda body soon could I use the stuff with that?

You might be able to if they make a body but I would still think it would be against the law to do so. It would be a re-body and anyone wanting one would check the numbers and they wont match the hidden vins. There would be no profit in it if someone checked the car out close.

I would check before doing anything.
 
so how much sheet metal can a guy replace befor it is illegal, you can buy frame rails, full pans, full qtrs, aprons, rad support, ect..
 
The Bottom Line is, it is illegal for you to use the vin tag, fender tag and title for that car for anything other than garage art! You will go to jail if you get caught selling those items or if you do and the car they are put on is traced back to you. Just keep or sell the usable parts to someone for another project and frame the tags and title and hang them on the wall of your garage
 
so how much sheet metal can a guy replace befor it is illegal, you can buy frame rails, full pans, full qtrs, aprons, rad support, ect..

Its the one thing that you have in your postion that would make it a crime and a federal one at that and thats the vin tag. If you have the riviets to put it back on with that also is a crime to own (used to be). Its best to just not deal with it.
 
so how much sheet metal can a guy replace befor it is illegal, you can buy frame rails, full pans, full qtrs, aprons, rad support, ect..

Replacing sheet metal is never illegal! swapping tags from another car to make your car look like something it is not or to give it papers when it has none is illegal, PERIOD!
 
Ya thats a good question but replacing metal is not the same as swapping tags. I actually had a nice long talk at the MATS a few years ago with the FBI agent in charge of the Western Regional Task force on stolen car rings. I've delt with this issue for years. There is a 71 Satellite out there that has 72RR tags on it. Last I heard it sold for 28,000. Sooner or later someone is going to discover that it is a bogus car and it could be traced back to the guy the swapped the tags. Going to get real ugly for the present owner and the tag swapper. 28000 is a hell of alot of money for a 71 Satellite. You pulled those tags and numbers so they can be put on another car. That is illegal. Don't go down that road.
 
well I guess I got a 70' 340 block for sale $600 set of j heads $250 and quite a few cuda parts for a 70 pm me with any thing you need and I will look what I have I also pick up a 69 charger a few days ago was a 383 4bbl auto console b3 blue a41 white hat special now has a 440 center of trunk is a bit scaley and a small amout of rust behind rear wheels $13000 have title and build sheet
 
Adda boy. Wright void across the title and hang it on the wall. Have some simular shop art myself.
 
Like everyone said it's illegal as hell, but if I was going to use that VIN on another car I sure as hell wouldn't talk about it on a forum.
 
fat-lip-resto raises a good point with his question above:
so how much sheet metal can a guy replace before it is illegal, you can buy frame rails, full pans, full qtrs, aprons, rad support, ect..

We all know of cars out there that have been pulled from the junkyards or barns and had more rust than anything else. Outfits like AMD, goodmark, dynacorn are doing great work at making parts to help us get these cars back on the road. However, if you replace frame rails, floors, fenders, quarters, & roof, then how is that still the car you set out to restore? You would be basically building a car around the VIN tag. How is that different than re-tagging to a good factory body?

Now, let me just clarify my personal position on it. I'm huge fan of having as many musclecars built & in use as possible. I like factory original cars, I like resto mods, I like pro street, and I like street rods. Different people like different things and there are many ways to participate in the old car hobby. So I'm very OK with cloned cars and building what you want, but I believe that it should be disclosed as a clone and never represented to be an original. I'm a huge admirer of those that can take a car where there's not much left and bring it back "from the dead". And the companies that are providing us with the materials (sheet metal, trim parts, hardware, etc) to do this are fantastic supporters of our hobby.

I think that this is a good discussion to have.

(I do understand that regardless of this discussion and anyone's views, there is always the stated law that makes it illegal to move a VIN, as PettyBlue72 correctly says)
 
It is against Federal law to swap the vin number from one car to another. Any car.

Not if its still attached to the original dash.Those new challenger bodies,along with the camaros and mustangs.Cut the the cowl and dash assembly with the vin intact and graft it to the the new body.Legal?Yes,a good buisness practice No.Take a look at the pre war hot rod world,you think all those glass Willys coupes and 32 Fords went through the proper chanels to get titled?Not
 
wannadrag, not sure I follow ya. Who is legally taking a dash and vin from one body to another.?
So I can take the whole dash assy with vin tag from a 71 hemi Cuda and put it in a 71 Barracuda /6 car and now I have a legit 71 Hemi car???? Don't think so.
You can remove the vin tag and reinstall it back on the original car. Legal.
 
There was a thread about it over on moparts awhile back and to get around the titling issue on those new 70 Challenger bodies along withe 69 Camaro and whatever year that repro Mustang is.Legally you can remove the cowl area and dash and graft it to the new bodies and have a body with a vin and title.Kinda a gray area in the laws but but your really not touching or tampering with the vin so its legal.Not very ethical but it is legal.If you ever go on the HAMB site check the other section in the want ads,titles up the a$$ for sale.They list them for display only and makes it legal to buy and sell.Model A,32 Coupes and Willys coupes bring a premium $$$ and i know from expeirience that there not framed and hanging on the wall.
 
I saw that thread and still don't think that is legal under federal and most state laws. Those new bodies should have a new state issued vin number. Same as building a kit car. Colorado is really tough on this. If your car is found to be a re-body with a swapped vin tag they will Impound it. Have a cop buddy that inspects our cars brought in from out of state. He told me that if ever the body numbers didn't match the vin number then the car would be impounded. I would be going downtown for a statement and they would want all the info on the seller so they could contact the State Attorney of that state.
Yes there all alot of bogus cars out there and this is the type of crap one has to deal with sometimes when buying one. What gets me is a few years back at the BJ acution an advertised rebodied Camaro went for booco bucks.

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Quebec is famous for their re-bodied Hemi Cudas. More came from Quebec than were made in 70/1.
 
Its the one thing that you have in your postion that would make it a crime and a federal one at that and thats the vin tag. If you have the riviets to put it back on with that also is a crime to own (used to be). Its best to just not deal with it.
In Oregon I know of a few shops and they have the rivits. They say they have them legally so that they can remove the vin tags, restore the dashes and reinstall. I know this leaves a door wide open, just saying what they have told me.
 
In Oregon I know of a few shops and they have the rivits. They say they have them legally so that they can remove the vin tags, restore the dashes and reinstall. I know this leaves a door wide open, just saying what they have told me.

Yeah I know of a shop that does that as well and by law its not right. It does leave the door wide open and its one that keeps all of us on our toes.
 
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