71 Wing Cars

[dangina]

Well guys I just started a what may and will be a long project. I am starting a 72 satellite wing car. Now I'm not rich so alittle as she goes. I have a wing ordered from Ted in Texas.The nose will take me sometime as I am not a body hands on guy. I read where i can use the headlight doors from a trans am... Thats the easy part tring to mount them o joy i cant wait. Meaning I'm gong to need help. will keep it posted.

How much was the wing? I'm very interested in how the wing fits on your 72 - keep us posted!

 

[mattsinger]

be sure to post pics..before and after. Lets see what you are starting with

 

[camoman22]

I will post pictures when I get started....Dangina, Ted Quoted me 675 plus shipping. It is fiberglass weights around 15 lbs. It will be trunk mounted. easier that way. He said he will send the uprights first. I will mount them then I will measure the horazonal and he will make it to fit the best he can. Lets keep them fingers crossed!!!!

 

[fourforty6pac]

Heres one.

 

[camoman22]

That what got me looking! Nice looking car!

 

[tpodwdog]

found this pic months ago and kept it. i knew it might come in handy someday. theres a vid of it on youtube too.....cant remember what heading its under.

*update....found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N_t3rIFBiU

 

[satelite 71]

Hi can anyone tell me if the gas pedal assemblies are the same for small block and big block.

 

[dangina]

I will post pictures when I get started....Dangina, Ted Quoted me 675 plus shipping. It is fiberglass weights around 15 lbs. It will be trunk mounted. easier that way. He said he will send the uprights first. I will mount them then I will measure the horazonal and he will make it to fit the best he can. Lets keep them fingers crossed!!!!

hmmm trunk mounted you say, I'd have to see that - If he's building it in pieces, is this a new product from him?

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Heres one.

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whose car is that? I had never seen that one before - i like it except I would move the wing as far back as possible

 

[camoman22]

dangina, I'm not sure if it is a new product. I think it is.... he seemed sure of himself so that sold me. That black wing car is /was on ebay a couple times did not sell at 17,000 plus. I also think the wing would look better moved more to the rear. I thought more parallel with the rear trunk or close. Does the superbird wing sit parallel to the rear of car?

 

[CoronetRTguy]

dangina, I'm not sure if it is a new product. I think it is.... he seemed sure of himself so that sold me. That black wing car is /was on ebay a couple times did not sell at 17,000 plus. I also think the wing would look better moved more to the rear. I thought more parallel with the rear trunk or close. Does the superbird wing sit parallel to the rear of car?

Hey if you are still looking for a nose or a wing and maybe even the window louvers talk with this guy at http://www.musclecarcreations.net/ ask for Jeremy is is awesome at metal work. He has a few 71-72 Plymouths he could get it correct for you.

I'm sure he could do it with a Charger as well. Just tell him what you want and he will build it. He has a 71 Road Runner that I really want and hope to be able to get after I'm finished with school. The car is one most would pass on but he will save it and its numbers matching.

Now this thread has got me to thinking about the 73-74 cars, why can't someone build a kit for them?

 

[65 Plymouth Satellite 426]

NASCAR Was Responsible For The Superbird And The Daytona Charger Being Dropped Out Of Chrysler's Line-Up After Those Fools Outlawed From Racing Because Ford Was Bawling Like A Bitch About Them!

 

[camoman22]

NASCAR Was Responsible For The Superbird And The Daytona Charger Being Dropped Out Of Chrysler's Line-Up After Those Fools Outlawed From Racing Because Ford Was Bawling Like A Bitch About Them!

From what I have read thats why the 71-72 look like they did. The tooling was made for production car with the ease of a nose cone to be added.Nascar said they could still run the superbird but with a small block.....

 

[CoronetRTguy]

From what I have read thats why the 71-72 look like they did. The tooling was made for production car with the ease of a nose cone to be added.Nascar said they could still run the superbird but with a small block.....

The part of them being able to run any of their cars later on with a smaller block was due to the HEMI and really the wing cars kicked but on the super tracks.

What really killed the SuperBirds and Daytonas is they just didn't sell. There are a many of these cars out there running around as a Roadrunner or Charger 500 because it was easyier to sell those then it was as a wing car. Back then they were not looked at as just a cool car but looked at as not a great daily driver.

That is what really killed the production of them because the 71s were being wind tested with models but the sales just were not there.

 

[butterscotch71]

The part of them being able to run any of their cars later on with a smaller block was due to the HEMI and really the wing cars kicked but on the super tracks.

What really killed the SuperBirds and Daytonas is they just didn't sell. There are a many of these cars out there running around as a Roadrunner or Charger 500 because it was easyier to sell those then it was as a wing car. Back then they were not looked at as just a cool car but looked at as not a great daily driver.

That is what really killed the production of them because the 71s were being wind tested with models but the sales just were not there.

It was never about sales to the public. They were required to build a certain number for public sale to qualify for NASCAR. That is the ONLY reason Daytonas and Superbirds were built and sold to the public.....

 

[CoronetRTguy]

It was never about sales to the public. They were required to build a certain number for public sale to qualify for NASCAR. That is the ONLY reason Daytonas and Superbirds were built and sold to the public.....

They were built just for the nascar racing scene but so wasnt the 66-67 Charger and then the 68 Charger was a boat ancor on the track and for 69 they did the Charger 500 and later the Daytona. They did have to build them for Nascar specs (so many built) and they did not sell. Dealers had cars sitting into the next model year.

Nascar didn't canceal the program Chrysler did. The cost of building them and then the disadvantage they were being put in with what size motor they could use. If they used a Hemi it had to be detuned.

If my memory is right Ford and Chrysler stopped the aero wars at the same time. They were coming out with the King Cobra based off the Ford Torino and only two were built one red and one yellow.

Chrysler tested the 71s but sales is what really stopped it and Nascar saying you will have to have such and such with the engine.

 

[butterscotch71]

They were built just for the nascar racing scene but so wasnt the 66-67 Charger and then the 68 Charger was a boat ancor on the track and for 69 they did the Charger 500 and later the Daytona. They did have to build them for Nascar specs (so many built) and they did not sell. Dealers had cars sitting into the next model year.

Nascar didn't canceal the program Chrysler did. The cost of building them and then the disadvantage they were being put in with what size motor they could use. If they used a Hemi it had to be detuned.

If my memory is right Ford and Chrysler stopped the aero wars at the same time. They were coming out with the King Cobra based off the Ford Torino and only two were built one red and one yellow.

Chrysler tested the 71s but sales is what really stopped it and Nascar saying you will have to have such and such with the engine.

I agree with you on many points including the fact that they didn't sell well at all, but sales is not what killed the program for 71. Here's an excerpt from an interview with Gary Romberg (Chrysler engineer in charge of the 71 program).

Q: Before Bill France made his ruling banning Hemis and aerodynamic packages on the same vehicle for the 1971 race season, did you guys assume there would be production versions of the G-Series wing car?

A: Oh heavens yes. That blue book wasn't filled with data for no reason. We were ready to go if they would have let us go but NASCAR didn't want any more "funny cars" in competition and that was the end of that.

Yes Plymouth made the choice to end the program, but it was based on NASCAR rule changes, not public sales.

 

[CoronetRTguy]

I agree with you on many points including the fact that they didn't sell well at all, but sales is not what killed the program for 71. Here's an excerpt from an interview with Gary Romberg (Chrysler engineer in charge of the 71 program).

Q: Before Bill France made his ruling banning Hemis and aerodynamic packages on the same vehicle for the 1971 race season, did you guys assume there would be production versions of the G-Series wing car?

A: Oh heavens yes. That blue book wasn't filled with data for no reason. We were ready to go if they would have let us go but NASCAR didn't want any more "funny cars" in competition and that was the end of that.

Yes Plymouth made the choice to end the program, but it was based on NASCAR rule changes, not public sales.

I had not seen that interview before. Do you have a link to it? That is interesting and I think I read some old interviews in magazines that it was due to poor sells and then the displacment size ruling.

Thats some good info. Thanks.

 

[butterscotch71]

The quote was from an interview in Hot Rod magazine in Feb 2009
http://www.hotrod.com/web/113_0508_wing/viewall.html

 

[dangina]

I might be going with this guy here in Canada - his name is Don, and has a good rep with working with metals:

http://donnicks.com/

I have also talked to Janek, seems like he makes 2 versions of the wing - a cheap one out of fiberglass around $650 that weighs only 14-18lbs or a very high quality with the best composites on the market today which i think is steel reinforced? says it weighs the same as the original superbird wing (about 45lbs) and just as strong-if not stronger. also adjustable. But comes in at $1400. Both wings will have to have some fabricating on your end to make the base of the pedestals fit the 71-72 body line...

 

[camoman22]

I might be going with this guy here in Canada - his name is Don, and has a good rep with working with metals:

http://donnicks.com/

I have also talked to Janek, seems like he makes 2 versions of the wing - a cheap one out of fiberglass around $650 that weighs only 14-18lbs or a very high quality with the best composites on the market today which i think is steel reinforced? says it weighs the same as the original superbird wing (about 45lbs) and just as strong-if not stronger. also adjustable. But comes in at $1400. Both wings will have to have some fabricating on your end to make the base of the pedestals fit the 71-72 body line...

Holy Crap Batman I see why you like him!