833 woes

[300]

Miller, bell on, no clutch, stab into crank
Then bell off, clutch on, try shaft again , leave clutch bolts loose, align, tighten clutch bolts
Bell back on, try again, Sounds good
Have you ever alined bell with index tool dial?
Thanks

 

[miller]

Have you ever alined bell with index tool dial?
Thanks

No sir. Don't even know what one looks like! Just hold my mouth right...like fishin'!
I usually run when someone mentions standard trans, but that's beside the point. It's all nuts and bolts.

There should be enough 'play' in your parts and pieces, the locating dowls block to housing, where your bell should be pretty much in line.

Thinking...you did say a new pilot bushing. Several of the guys have already talked about it.
Half the time, when you put one into a crank, it needs to be reamed, or cut, before the shaft pilot will fit. Use the spare steel shaft end, and compare the length and diameter with the one in your 833. Should be the same. Does the spare shaft pilot slip into the bushing? Should also bottom out.

Fighting that kinda stuff, is like flogging a dead horse. Also (man, I hate remembering this stuff, lol!), be sure to check the throwout bearing, for line-up and such. They can put things in a bind, too.

Every standard I've stabbed (the few), have simply fallen into place. If they don't...something is WRONG!
Best of luck with it. Just trying to help out. Hope a bit.

 

[miller]

Better catch myself.

So you don't mis-understand, when I say leave the clutch pack bolts loose. Saying loose until you stab the line-up tool.
Then, snug down the bolts, but not torqued. Like that, if it needs to shift a little, while your stabbing the trans, it can. I usually 'lift', the tool just a little, to compensate for the weight drop, before snugging down the bolts.

Pull the tool, and easily slip it right back into place. If it goes, the input shaft should, too.
Hardest part of the whole thing is...picking the dang thing up.

 

[300]

Trans woes

Update, Well got all taken apart again, flywheel still on and input shaft slides right into pilot bearing and into crank.
That's all good, Will update

 

[Cornpatch MO]

I firmly believe in checking your bellhousing run out with a dial indicator. I needed to instal an offset bushing kit. Otherwise you could have a tranny that does not shift good or jumps out of gear.............................MO

 

[OSDart]

Update. Just as I thought, someone drilled the stock 400 crank. And did a piss poor job of centering. They must of done it with a hand drill while still in the car. The hole was 0.046" off center. It's best to remove the crank and let a machine shop drill the pilot hole out on a/t cranks. But since this is a junk engine, I just attached my magnetic drill to the flywheel and got it drilled. Had to use a 0.875" drill bit to get back to center. No big deal, that's what pilot bearings are for. I'm building a new stroker 400 for the Belvedere. I was just fitting everything before I take it apart for paint. Anyone need a stock 400 crank?

 

[300]

Ok, found out my bell is off centre, guess I have to go with offset dowels
Don't have a dial indicator yet, but did some measurementsl with micrometer
Seems around 1/8" to one side, when you use offset dowels, do you have to drill other bolt holes in bell ? Doesn't seem there's enough movement there now.
Thanks

 

[Daves69]

1/8" sounds excessive to me. I think the indicator on the crank flange will tell you where to go with the bell and dowels. Don't know I'd trust a mic.

Hope this helps

 

[300]

Thanks Dave, and all others, going to get a dial ,and try to figure this out, maybe 1/8" is not that accurate on my part, could be 1/16 hard to say till I get proper tool,
Funny I can feel the difference with my finger on one side, and the other,
440 was rebuilt by reliable builder for years
All new bell trans etc etc
Talked to Brewers today, and he was saying if engine was line bored ,horned etc etc, that would do it,

 

[miller]

See! That's what you get when you talk to a A/T guy! Learn something new, not that I wanted to.

1/8 seems quite a bit, considering the rotating parts involved. Should be as close as possible. Great that you located your hangup on getting it stabbed!!! Just have to do whatever it takes to make it right. Don't know how much clearance at the pilot and bushing, but shouldn't be much.