Active shooter in San Bernardino right now

[NCC1968]

151 killed and 34 hurt just this year in France by these people.

It's probably just a little more difficult here in the US, but they are not done.....I'd bet on it.

I chose to not be a soft target...........

 

[callofthemopar]

I usually just read informative and interesting posts on this site about our shared interest in these cars. I hate to see any of you good gentlemen argue over an event no one can or could control. history tells us these things have happened through out history and will continue to happen long after we are gone. Just do a little research on why Rome and other civilizations fell and you will see that we are really close to that point. yes we are more tech advanced than Rome was but if just look at the human aspect of it you start to realize how similar then and now really is. Anyway, I know this is now and someone that wants to hurt people will find a way gun or not. When a town is small people know there neighbors and which ones to keep an eye on! when a town gets too big most people do not know who is next door nor do they care! I apologize for rambling but after reading some of the posts on this event I was shocked to see this causing arguments among members here. I also find these things horrible but also realize that conflict will always be there and someone will be ready to kill and die for some belief right or wrong! Maybe if more people had old Mopars they would not have the time or money to spend on dumb sh!t...

 

[patrick66]

I'm tired of people afraid to call terrorism terrorism. I'm sick of government doubletalk and the evil that is Political Correctness; and overall media bullshit. It isn't paranoia when they really ARE out to kill you.

 

[BeatersRus]

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2011/12/usmc-general-john-black-jack-pershing.html

you think that article is true??
if so,lol,we got a lot of pigs in america.
that general really did what it took tho...thanks for the share

 

[satman72]

I'm tired of people afraid to call terrorism terrorism. I'm sick of government doubletalk and the evil that is Political Correctness; and overall media bullshit. It isn't paranoia when they really ARE out to kill you.

OK, what exactly is the definition of terrorism?

I'm not trying to be an *** here, but if the guys that did the Boston bombing were called Fred & Simon Wilson rather than whatever their names were, Would it have been considered terrorism?

What if the shooters in San Bernardindo were Rick and Ethel Sterling, rather than whatever their names are, would it still be considered a terrorist attack?

 

[Bb70charger500]

Martial Law
I think this was the BINGO moment, if this occurs then the government can purity much do what ever it wants take guns good ammo pets men (for work or wars) anything that want they get .
I hear a lot that our great and wonderful president is funding isis and I'm starting to believe this ,I never liked this dude and to more these "normal people" that have been here for years then one day boom "literally" just go out and kill a bunch of people. I think the government is behind this to keep us on our toes so they can stay in complete control and then when there ready Martial Law and then we're communist! Now back to gun control criminal have them there's no point in trying to take them terrorists have them if they need more guess what I'm sure they can get whatever they want with little to no effort from over seas. They want gun control so when they "take over" there won't be any resistance from the American people because we would all be un armed .
I'm sorry if I sound racist or offend anyone but we need to get our **** together or were going to be in bad shape they keep tabs on everyone especially coming and going anywhere out of the USA guess what pull them in under servaince and watch them if there out of the country get them back in and do the same .
This crap Obama is doing letting these refugees in is stupid were letting terrorists in and giving them homes wtf? If anyone is from out of the country or communicates out of the country guess what servalince . This is very easy . But taking guns away from law abiding American s is bs there just trying to make there total takeover easier on them. The way Obama is doing things I swear he's the leader of isis and were letting him set up them up here in the states there's no way that so many of them got in undetected. And it's impossible to find them. I think we need to fight for our nation like our fathers band grandfathers did many many years ago .
Sorry if I don't make any sense but I think there using these little shootings against us and will take our guns because most Americans are pussys now .
God help us all and the family s of all who have lost there lives in each and every attack

 

[BeatersRus]

I think the government is behind this to keep us on our toes so they can stay in complete control and then when there ready Martial Law and then we're communist! Now back to gun control criminal have them there's no point in trying to take them terrorists have them if they need more guess what I'm sure they can get whatever they want with little to no effort from over seas. They want gun control so when they "take over" there won't be any resistance from the American people because we would all be un armed .

bingo.
a curious thing i noticed a few years ago,and i see them everywheres now.
in small towns,out of the way places,in the local national guard/armories/depots,
have you perchance noticed how many tactical vehicles are suddenly being stacked up?
including helis too,assault craft...
now...ask yourself why any small town anywheres in america needs assault vehicles and assault helis?

the real clincher is,the ones i see in the local towns,Never get moved,
they Arent being used for training anyone....
so what are they waiting for exactly....

think im joking?
ive already noticed a lot of you are former service,
just drive slow next time past Your armory,and look thru the fences..or over the wall.

 

[GetX'd]

OK, what exactly is the definition of terrorism?

I'm not trying to be an *** here, but if the guys that did the Boston bombing were called Fred & Simon Wilson rather than whatever their names were, Would it have been considered terrorism?

What if the shooters in San Bernardindo were Rick and Ethel Sterling, rather than whatever their names are, would it still be considered a terrorist attack?

The answer is yes it would. Think back to the Oklahoma City bombing. That was a terrorist attack and so labeled. The perpetrators were Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. McVeigh has since been executed and Nichols is in a Super Max prison in Colorado I believe. They're just making a distinction between home grown terrorism and foreign bred terrorism.

We have american born jihadis that have gone to the battle fields of the Middle East to fight American soldiers and have been determined to be "enemy combatants" and are serving time eternal in federal prisons. They had American names and committed terroristic crimes against the American people.
Does that answer your question?

 

[Richard Cranium]

No thats not what I'm saying.

The paper only way the paper gets it right is by calling Mr Jihad a terrorist and naming those other 4 men murderous psychos, but it's wrong to imply that Mr Jihad's actions were the same as the four psyco's actions. the only reason LaPierre was brought into it was to obvoiysly smear the NRA. Now, I personally don't know anything about LaPierre; what makes you say that he should be deported with terrorists?

 

[steve from staten island]

Because he supports potential terrorists the rights to own and bear arms that ultimately would be used to murder Americans on American soil. Exactly what just happened. Like you didn't notice ever excuse was used and will be used when investigations are completed that show how these terrorist's got there hands on weapons capable of doing what a M16 on semi auto with a larger capacity mag can do. People say they could have gotten there hands on these weapons on the alleged black market. I guess the "black-market" would be scum who legally purchase weapons in other states and transport them and sell them illegally on the street in other cities/states. What about gun show sales were no background checks are involved. Could a terror suspect get some white guy to buy a weapon and sell it to him thereby eliminating any suspicion? Think about it. Any POS American hating scumbag enters this country gets a "green" card and can legally buy a assault type weapon. Thats what the NRA supports. Has absolutely nothing to do with the right to now and bare arms what it has to do is a country under attack. LaPierre is a puppet of gun lobbyist's . BTW this bullshit of mis-quoting in order to create animosity is typical of conservatives. It was never implied that LaPierre actions was the same as jihads,thats your take on it

 

[FJ6AAR]

Steve, go to a gun show and buy a gun and see if you are checked.

 

[mmissile]

Too scary.

 

[Cmmopar]

There are valid constitutional concerns about removing Americans rights without due process.

Democrats Think They Can Disarm You Without Due Process. Two weeks ago, the media badgered Donald Trump after NBC’s Vaughn Hillyard asked Trump whether he wanted a Muslim registry. Trump thought they were talking about a registry of foreign Muslims – you know, like the kind of registry that could have helped gather information about Malik – but the media interpreted the question as one about monitoring of domestic Muslims. The media promptly labeled Trump a Nazi.
Well, over the past two days, Democrats have made it their chief talking point to blast Republicans for their failure to support removing guns from those on the terror watch list and no-fly list without due process of law. The New York Times editorial board used that vote to blame Republicans for San Bernardino. So did The New York Daily News, which headlined that Wayne LaPierre of the NRA was a terrorist. The Democratic National Committee tweeted that
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)

80%​

and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)

97%​

“just voted against legislation that could have prevented terrorists from getting guns.”Neither Malik nor Farook were on the no-fly list or the terror watch list. There are, however, some 750,000 Americans on those lists. It requires no show of evidence to put someone on the list. But according to the left, mere presence on the list means we can remove guns from you in violation of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

 

[RS23VOA]

Because he supports potential terrorists the rights to own and bear arms that ultimately would be used to murder Americans on American soil. Exactly what just happened. Like you didn't notice ever excuse was used and will be used when investigations are completed that show how these terrorist's got there hands on weapons capable of doing what a M16 on semi auto with a larger capacity mag can do. People say they could have gotten there hands on these weapons on the alleged black market. I guess the "black-market" would be scum who legally purchase weapons in other states and transport them and sell them illegally on the street in other cities/states. What about gun show sales were no background checks are involved. Could a terror suspect get some white guy to buy a weapon and sell it to him thereby eliminating any suspicion? Think about it. Any POS American hating scumbag enters this country gets a "green" card and can legally buy a assault type weapon. Thats what the NRA supports. Has absolutely nothing to do with the right to now and bare arms what it has to do is a country under attack. LaPierre is a puppet of gun lobbyist's . BTW this bullshit of mis-quoting in order to create animosity is typical of conservatives. It was never implied that LaPierre actions was the same as jihads,thats your take on it

Every gun show I've been to has the forms at every booth to be filled out. As far as Joe Common walking in with a gun and Jack Noname buys it as a private deal, that happens everywhere, not just at gun shows. They keep harping on gun shows. Gun shows aren't the problem.

 

[mmissile]

The problem is with the judicial-system, not properly handling criminals. No consequence.

 

[NCC1968]

The problem is with the judicial-system, not properly handling criminals. No consequence.

Then again...........if one is willing or even wanting to die..........or have mental problems.

 

[mmissile]

Then again...........if one is willing or even wanting to die..........or have mental problems.

They can drive their car into a crowd.

 

[NCC1968]

They can drive their car into a crowd.

My point is...........punishment is not a deterrent.

People that do things like this do not worry about punishment.

 

[mmissile]

Death gets them outta the picture. Good enough for me. No recognition, no talking with others and scheming in prison, no recruiting, nobody remembers. Like they never existed.

 

[NCC1968]

Death gets them outta the picture. Good enough for me. No recognition, no talking with others and scheming in prison, no recruiting, nobody remembers. Like they never existed.

You don't seem to get what I'm saying.

If shoplifting were punished by death it would be reduced greatly...........b/c most of them are not crazy and would not risk it.

The people that shoot places up are nuts and often it is their first offense............so trying to use law to reduce it is not going to work. So what if they are executed...........the victims remain victims.

These two owned guns legally (though not the mags), were in the country legally and had no "rap sheet."