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Seems I need to tap the talent pool here once again. Its time to FINALLY do the kitchen floor. Seems like I'm able to knock off the old linoleum pretty easily. But there is some sort of (felt??) underlayment that's a sonofagun. Whats the best way to get this stuff off and not destroy the wood underneath?? -Hardwood not plywood
 
Looks like you have 2 options, chemical or physical removal. Chemical is messy and involves using a solvent to dissolve the adhesive. If they sell Rock Miracle Paint and Varnish Remover near you, you can try that. It's messy and smelly though. Manual involves using a floor sander ( which you have to do anyhow, after you remove the underlayment) and 20 grit sandpaper. Also messy, but not as bad as chemical removal. I would opt for sanding it off. Make sure you seal that room from the rest of the house with plastic and tape over doorways and cover any cabinets and appliances with plastic too while sanding. That dust will get everywhere. You will have to use finer sandpaper after to give the floor a smooth finish. Good luck. Show us some finished pics.
 
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Are you planning on keeping the hardwood floor? Is the felt glued down? You may have to get a plastic scraper and be real careful. Then maybe get a belt sander to take care of any residue or scratches and revarnish the floor. Don't know if I gave you anything helpful.
 
IMHFO it looks to me like the backing off the vinyl & glue on the floor to adhere the vinyl to the underlayment {underlayment is a thin layer of high density particle board 1/4-3/8-1/2" thick, nailed down over the sub-flooring, that's usually used under the vinyl covering, for a smoother floor, that they put a water base mastic glue on (unless it's over 25 y/o), before rolling on the final vinyl covering, some people refer to as Linoleum, that had asbestos fibers, was an oil based product & is really hard stuff, not soft like vinyl}, a big scraper & elbow grease, usually they have an underlayment under vinyl to make the surface flat, nailed & even glued sometimes, on top of whatever is under that, if it hardwood under the underlayment, you could just pull up the underlayment in pieces, score it with a skill saw, just set the saw depth so it doesn't go all the way thru, then pop up the boards, they usually would use ring shank nails too to put down underlayment, they can be a real PITA to get out too... That's the way most floors are put down anyway, not 100% sure how yours was done, but that's the correct way to install most flooring... Good luck... what are you planning on putting down, instead of the vinyl ??
 
You could try using a heat gun to see if it will come up especially if it is a glue bond that is still holding it to your hard wood.I'd try that first before anything else.Good luck
 
Also.... Lots of sanding afterwards too, especially if it's glued directly on the hardwood floor...
 
I stand corrected in the use of the word underlayment. I was following the OP's use of the term. I agree that it looks like the backing of the old sheet flooring which will probably have to be scraped/sanded off before the hardwood floor can be refinished.

IMHFO it looks to me like the backing off the vinyl & glue on the floor to adhere the vinyl to the underlayment {underlayment is a thin layer of high density particle board 1/4-3/8-1/2" thick, nailed down over the sub-flooring, that's usually used under the vinyl covering, for a smoother floor, that they put a water base mastic glue on (unless it's over 25 y/o), before rolling on the final vinyl covering, some people refer to as Linoleum, that had asbestos fibers, was an oil based product & is really hard stuff, not soft like vinyl}, a big scraper & elbow grease, usually they have an underlayment under vinyl to make the surface flat, nailed & even glued sometimes, on top of whatever is under that, if it hardwood under the underlayment, you could just pull up the underlayment in pieces, score it with a skill saw, just set the saw depth so it doesn't go all the way thru, then pop up the boards, they usually would use ring shank nails too to put down underlayment, they can be a real PITA to get out too... That's the way most floors are put down anyway, not 100% sure how yours was done, but that's the correct way to install most flooring... Good luck... what are you planning on putting down, instead of the vinyl ??
 
This stuff was rolled out and maybe 30" wide. As I worked on it last nite you could see where it was laid side by side. If you look hard enuff in the pic you can see it too. Kind of in line w the plastic tray if you look hard enuff. Now the wife has found some tile she likes. So i'll leave that black crap there and put a layer of luan over it I'm thinking.

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safety warning - if you have a jenn-air style range (this is one with its own exhaust fan). Mine was floor mounted. If its been on for some years, take it out of the housing and clean it. I had to move it and I couldn't believe the amount of greasy crap in the blower cage. I've got it soaking in degreaser now. After I scrapped the junk off it for 20 minute.
 
So I'm over half way through the tear off. Ya ok, I got other crap to deal with too, This linoleum has some kind of rubbery underlayment. A bunch peeled up complete in this one section but here's a good pic of it. Its not linoleum just glued to the floor Its like wood-glue-this rubbery stuff-glue-linoleum. weird stuff. Cant say what it is......
 

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