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1970 Super Bee: Thoughts on this car for sale? And intro from Minnesota.

It's marked sold now, with a $53k price with a line thru it
 
Wow....82 posts.....well, 83 now :D Hope it gets a good paint job done on it.
 
Fender tag is present. Not original engine/trans. No broadcast sheet.

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DeltaV said:
"Fender tag is present Not original engine/trans No build sheet"

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I dug out a build sheet on my 70 440 Challenger RT ragtop that I bought in 1980 to save when I decided to sell it a year later after my first wife hated on it so much. Didn't pay much attention to it until after the car was gone. It was for a /6 car once I decoded it! Dang it....
 
DynaBro said:
First post. Hope I'm in the right subforum.

I've been watching the 1970 Super Bee market pretty closely for the last 10 years, including lurking this forum's for sale section, but it's hard to get a real handle on value anymore. Sometimes solid stuff goes low, sometimes roached stuff goes high, for reasons that don't always make sense (to me). I'm interested in your evaluation of this car and what you might notice in the photos I may have missed. I tried to get a dialog going with the owner but he was kind of short with me and just said he'd take $42K as it sits or $65+ after paint, and I don't even know if the guy is a painter himself or what.

https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/95977048

My novice opinion is it would take another $20K if not much more to get this into the sort of condition that warrants $50-60K, and it still wouldn't be as nice as the yellow 1970 R/T that was sold here in 2022, or any the 383 stuff posted for around $50K the last few years. I do love the drivetrain, the interior seems nice, it has all the options I'm after, and if it were back to the correct HEMI orange with the black C stripe I might have trouble backing myself off the ledge. But I'm not after a headache where it needs more work far outside of my abilities. And as it sits with a non-original drivetrain, some questionable patching in the floor boards, and previous owner (not current) having done the body work, I'm not sure it could EVER be worth $60. Maybe I am wrong.

Set me straight.

Additionally, I am located in Edina, MN and hoping to meet some knowledgeable MOPAR guys. I'd like to finally pull the trigger on a 1970 Super Bee, and am hoping to find a community where I can get a storage slot and help you guys with your projects and learn more about the cars from you. My dad was a Chevy guy and I've dreamed about a 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack car with an N96 hood, the pistol grip shifter and go-wing since I was a kid but have very little experience even touching these beautiful machines. I know enough to know what I don't know but I'm willing to work.

Thanks.
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You'll find better examples being auctioned here:

https://bringatrailer.com/

Super Bee

Just go to their main webpage to setup an account and use their alert feature for the car models you want... they'll send you an email when one comes up.
 
For posterity:

VIN: WM23V0A152040

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Every time I read this thread it makes me want to work on my '70 Coronet 500.. I haven't done squat to it. 383 AT all original, severely sun baked but not rusty. I still haven't decided if I want to do a color change.

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Turns out the seller is well know and has a terrible reputation in the DFW area among car enthusiasts. Allegations of hack job "restorations," lies about numbers and even fake paperwork. The car is slapped together pretty much like we determined. Mostly in DMs, but we picked it apart thoroughly. He offers no photos of the condition of the wring, which is tumbling out from under the dash as seen in the video. The plastic on the seats is all chewed up (probably the rest of the interior plastic too). The carpet is completely shot. The carb is so dirty it looks like it's been sitting in a field since 1972. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bird nest in it. The underside is a nightmare. And let's talk about the coveted V Code. That fender tag looks fake. What makes it a really attractive Super Bee is the options that can only be verified via the Broadcast Sheet (the wing and tape stripes, pins, super track pack, woodgrain steering wheel, N96 hood, wheels and hub caps, etc.), which he doesn't have. The fender tag looks way too crisp given the degree of wear and numerous repairs done in the past, and lacks an inspection mark, making it suspect. I'm not 100% positive on the Plant A inspection marks or if they all had them, so I'm just suspect on the tag's authenticity. I'm not saying it's fake. Although someone I spoke with says it 100% is and knows who made it. I'm heavily leaning that way. I will say with certainty it is the single nicest fender tag I have ever seen on a car with a replaced trunk. Overspray everywhere, primer all over the underbody, the radiator supports, I'm sure there is more hiding we can't see because that was the entire purpose. You would think people would do a slightly better job when trying to hide things since doing a shoddy job like this only draws more attention. There's paint peeling inside the trunk around the wheel wells so there's likely rust there.

Apparently the seller recently scammed some guy on a Challenger T/A that's back for sale after the buyer promised to go after him. I'm not sure if he meant legally or otherwise.
 
Facebook user claims it has a known bad tag and posted this:
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Looks like they changed the interior color,but the rest of the tag looks to have the correct.information on it.
 
Richard Cranium said:
I would.
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I agree he (SteveSS) should. This story might be inspirational...about a year ago, while absent-mindedly searching for 1970 Charger parts on local Kijiji ads (like Craigslist), and seeing absolute rustbuckets, missing interiors or rusted right out, missing powertrains, missing all the hard-to-find expensive bits and seeing these carcasses asking for $10K - $15K, I got to wondering "My gosh, what is my Charger project worth? It's in a helluva better state than these farm turds!" I got it professionally appraised and was shocked to see it was worth $33.5K (Canadian)...because I pretty much had all the parts to restore it, it's considered a complete car.

Your car looks similar, complete and much better than the farm turds out there.

Anyway, since a restored numbers-matching '70 Charger 383 HP starts at $50K to $60K, it was a no-brainer to me to take out a loan and get the ball rolling on my resto. You should too. :)
 
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