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Anyone use Victor heads on a mild 440?

Out of the box comparisons, before any porting; Victors std. port, 280cc intake volume, 100cc exhaust vs RPM's 210cc intake volume, 70cc exhaust night & day differences, Victors raise ports intake 0.650" exhaust 0.250", long valves 2.20"/1.81", offset rockers, 75c combustion chambers... vs RPM's std. port 84cc or 88cc comb. chamber, std. valve-train gear, std. length valve 2.14"/1.81", cfm flow @ 0.500" lift 278/226cfm-; 0.600" lift 291/217cfm-; 0.700 lift 292/223cfm-; vs Victors cfm flow @ 0.500" lift 298/207cfm-; 0.600" lift 332/219cfm-; 0.700" lift 325/226cfm-; bigtime differences as you can see...
 
Hey guys, I've read a lot of posts here but have never really replied. I bought some ProComp heads that seem to mimic the Victors fundamentally. I just have a .030 over 440 that is balanced and a lowly .509 cam. Hopefully you can see the video link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27_YT9kDZTA
 
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I been thinkin seriously about gettin a pair for my 383. Since I will probably build a stroker of sorts in the future, I would already have the heads.......but I am probably gonna persevere with the 516s for now.
 
i got 620hp 690 tq out of my 505 stroker with stealth heads
lunati cam dual quad 600dfm
just saying dont need to go OP heads for a nice street engine
 
RustyRatRod,
That was the wrong link, I am very sorry! Here is the right one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27_YT9kDZTA

If you are thinking of a big cube motor later, these heads are worth the price!

That video proves nothing. Nice car though!

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There are quite a few things to think bout before purchasing a set of Edelbrock victors. I will finish this when I get to my next break.
 
They work well for me. I run a 1050 Dominator and with regular BFG T/A's anything over 1/2 throttle and the tires are smoking. After I wear out the street tires I'd like to try some Drag Radials, then I'd like to see what it will do with traction! I also run electric fans instead of an engine driven fan and my engine temp never runs hot and the fans don't turn on as often. That used to be a problem with my 906's and the AZ heat. Granted you need special offset intake rockers since the intake ports have been dramatically increased and the 15 degree offset spark plugs might cause problems with existing headers. My hood doesn't fit anymore so I'm going to get a fiberglass flat hood and graft a six pack scoop to it.
 
That is one of the things I was going to mention...hood clearance. These heads have .950" extended intake runners and they are tall! The way you car blows the tires off (in a most lovely manner I may add) I would definitely put a tire on it before it gets away. I looked like you were driving in the rain but the street was not wet lol.

Here is a pic of a low deck indy intake and the victors I mocked up.
 

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A few more notes on the Victors:

1) The rocker gear can be more expensive for these heads due to them requiring at least a .650" offset intake rocker. Procomp, Harland Sharp, Hughes Engines, T&D, and Jesel all makes them. The Hughes stuff is about $600, T&D is $1100, and Jesel is (!!!) $1660. For a street car with a endurance type roller the Hughes seem to be the best value. There is not much data/feedback on these heads and the hardware available to run with them yet. I am going to run a large roller cam so most likely T&D's will be my choice. I need to ask the guys at Hughes what they think about running .750+" of lift with their rockers.

2) If you are running a low deck engine (9.98" like a 400 block) and decide to go with a max wedge port window like the heads above there is one place that makes intake manifolds for your engine (Indy Cylinder Head). The do make a single four for both 4150 and 4500 series carburetor flanges as well as a tunnel ram. I will test a 4150 series 1050 QF carb with annular boosters as well as a tunnel ram with 2 1050 QF's on the dyno when we get that far so stay tuned there. I am sure we will try a dominator as well with 4150-4500 adapter.

3) Headers can be an issue due to the raised exhaust ports. TTI makes headers that work however I think some headers might have issues with the torsion bar, especially with the RB platform (10.98" deck).

4) If you buy your heads un-prepped be prepared to spend some time cleaning them up and deburring them. The latest set of Victors I have must have been machined right before they freshened up the tooling. The push rod holes in the deck surface of the head also will need to be opened up.

I am going to eventually get a set of pro comp heads and send them out to the budget porting place. I estimate they will be about a total of $1500ish fully CNC ported with max wedge intake port windows. That will be over $1000 cheaper than a set of CNC ported MW port window Edelbrocks but there are trade offs with the imported heads. Helicoils, core plugs, etc are different and those things are not as important in some applications as others, ie street cars with solid cams vs. strip cars with big roller, etc.

Hopefully this helps. I think if a guy is shooting for 650ish HP with a 500" short block the Indy EZ's or RPM's can get you there much cheaper if you already have headers, etc. I am changing most of that stuff on my car when I change to my new Victor headed pump gas engine so it is a wash. Every time I drive my car in it's current configuration I am amazed it has lived to long without a failure of some sort. With all of the hard miles on it I don't want to reuse anything in my new engine.
 
Jeremiah, I think you will find the best numbers with the Dominator, especially with the Max Wedge ports. Those heads really like to breath! I'm considering a dual quad tunnel ram because it seems to want more and more, I just need to worry about getting it to the ground though. Nice pics, they are very impressive looking. With the raised exhaust ports I actually gained some clearance with my Hooker Competition headers in the t-bar area and center link area. I've had the longer pitman and idler arms for years and had to dimple my headers because of it. But no dimples necessary now. The spark plugs are a pain with #1 and #2 cylinders boots touching the header tube if you use a non-specific headers (your existing ones). The TTI's are supposed to remedy that but are expensive.

I've had a problem blowing head gaskets. I've always used FelPro Permatorques on my big block and never had a failure. Blown two of them now in 1 month, always while doing the sideways maneuver though! I'm thinking Cometics might be the way to go but worry about dis-similar metal corrosion issues.

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I'm using 440 source rockers, but they seem really noisy. I guess I'll save up for the Hughes. I had the machine shop clearance the push rod holes but still have 2 that are hitting slightly, a problem across the board, I understand.
 
Jeremiah, Keep us posted on the low deck tunnel ram. I'm thinking of going with a tunnel ram and dual 750's set up for E-85.
I don't know if it is just me, but I broke off the center rocker stand on my Max Wedge Victors. Running 0.714" lift with spring pressures around #720 open. I think if the stock heli-coil is removed and a new one placed deeper in the head it would prevent pulling the stand off the head?
 
Jeremiah, Keep us posted on the low deck tunnel ram. I'm thinking of going with a tunnel ram and dual 750's set up for E-85.
I don't know if it is just me, but I broke off the center rocker stand on my Max Wedge Victors. Running 0.714" lift with spring pressures around #720 open. I think if the stock heli-coil is removed and a new one placed deeper in the head it would prevent pulling the stand off the head?

451Mopar,
Can I ask what is your compression ratio and what head gasket are you using?
 
451Mopar,
Can I ask what is your compression ratio and what head gasket are you using?

Gaskets are Cometic MLS, 0.040" thick, 4.38" bore. Compression is 12.4:1.
The cam is a custom grind Comp with HXL lobes, 264/264 @ 0.050", 112 LSA. It is actually fairly mild as I drive the car on the street, but I would like a bit more upper RPM power. The 0.714" lift is with 1.6:1 ratio T&D rocker arms. Valve springs are PAC-1325's set up at 1.950", but I may cut the spring seats to get a full 2.00" install height. I originally set the springs at 2.00" using a +0.100" Crower ti retainer and +0.050" locks (and a 0.060" thick spring locator/seat), but that caused the retainer to just contact the inside of the rocker arms, so I just used standard height locks. Because of the offset of the intake rocker, my intake pushrods are 0.025" longer than the exhaust pushrods.
 
I gotta say when it comes to driveability and just cruisin around town I really like my solid flat tappet 493 combo with the Indy EZ heads. I cruise in the 1500 to 200 RPM area all the time and have great throttle response at any RPM. Drives great and runs 10.70's in my 3700 lb 63 thru the full exh on 92 pump driving it to the track. The EZ's have alot of potential and mine are just midle hand ported. Ron

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I gotta say when it comes to driveability and just cruisin around town I really like my solid flat tappet 493 combo with the Indy EZ heads. I cruise in the 1500 to 200 RPM area all the time and have great throttle response at any RPM. Drives great and runs 10.70's in my 3700 lb 63 thru the full exh on 92 pump driving it to the track. The EZ's have alot of potential and mine are just mildy hand ported. Ron

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I gotta say when it comes to driveability and just cruisin around town I really like my solid flat tappet 493 combo with the Indy EZ heads. I cruise in the 1500 to 2000 RPM area all the time and have great throttle response at any RPM. Drives great and runs 10.70's in my 3700 lb 63 thru the full exh on 92 pump driving it to the track. The EZ's have alot of potential and mine are just mildy hand ported. Ron
 
440 Source has .650 offset rockers for 299.

Thanks for them pics, Jerms. That's badass, man.
 
Jeremiah, Keep us posted on the low deck tunnel ram. I'm thinking of going with a tunnel ram and dual 750's set up for E-85.
I don't know if it is just me, but I broke off the center rocker stand on my Max Wedge Victors. Running 0.714" lift with spring pressures around #720 open. I think if the stock heli-coil is removed and a new one placed deeper in the head it would prevent pulling the stand off the head?

I certainly will. Thank you so far for the valuable information on these heads and your combo. I talked to a bunch of different people about the center rocker stand and it is my understanding that they have changed the design/helicoil more than once. The helicoil in my center rocker stand is much longer than a standard one. I looked very closely and it goes all the way to the bottom of the hole. These heads are my later set and are from 2/12 according to the boxes. Hopefully I will not have problems but we are sure to find them because I am going to run .750"+ gross lift and some serious spring pressures. It's street driven so we will see what lasts...

My side project as I go along is to clone this engine with lots of cheap parts (procomp, etc) and see what it makes in comparison on the dyno.
 
I got my MW Victors right when they came out, so it sounds like they have made some changes to them? Be prepared to clearance the pushrod holes too. Now that the engine is apart, I will have the heads flow tested and might get a larger cam. My original plan was to use a larger cam, but I started to worry about piston-to-valve clearance so I used the smaller, but I had about 0.150" clearance when i measured it
 
440 Source has .650 offset rockers for 299.

Thanks for them pics, Jerms. That's badass, man.

Yer Rusty Face,

I now repeat what you asked me to.

I don't think I would ever use 440 Source rockers again in a high performance application. I used them once in a dyno competition simply because they were cheap and we had a dollar limitation. What I have found is, they will deform around the bearing cages and change the side clearances between the rockers.When I first installed them with about .010" side clearance they would move freely in a 360 degree rotation around the rocker shaft, but after use with 270# spring pressure on the seat and 750# open, they would bind in their rotation if you tried to rotate them more than the lift cycle the had been subjected to during operation. However those same rockers have been in use for over a year in my grandson's 383 using a mild hydraulic roller camshaft.
 
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