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Brake booster for 69 roadrunner

Deanfitz27

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Hey guys, I am converting my 69 roadrunner to power brakes, it has a 440. I've heard some horror stories about cheap boosters from ebay. Can anyone suggest what size of a booster to buy and where to buy it. As well do I have to buy a new master cylinder or will the manual one work.

thanks
 
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SSBC, Dr. Diff & Right Stuff are good sources also, you don't need a power booster for disc brakes, it make it less peddle/leg force IMHFO... you need a proper distribution valve &/or a proportioning valve if the car didn't come with disc brakes, if it has drums rear & front disc's, a slightly smaller diameter plunger & a larger front reservoir for the disc's type master cylinder, will give better braking, especially with aftermarket disc's too... there are a ton of threads & brake related posts/mods etc., about disc brake conversion, on here in the brake suspension rims forum section here too..
 
Tks for your help, i didn't realize they were as many small components to change
 
Yes, the disc linkage will put the pedal low even with the gas pedal. The Bendix boosters are usually hard to find and can be expensive when you do find them. But they are rebuildable. I have seen the typical GM master cylinder booster kit on a ton of specialty sales / auction cars (clearly built by non MoPar people on the cheap to maximize sales potential) but don't know how well they work. They might work great and that's fine if you want function, but to me seeing that GM master bolted to some strange looking booster in the MoPar engine compartment is just an eye sore. I have the 12" discs on my 69 RR and will go with the manual setup. I don't expect any issues that would require me to put a booster on. Also keep in mind that late 60's 383 A bodies had manual disc brakes and they worked fine. Also my 69 GTS had manual late model discs and drum rear and no problem. So consider trying the manual route and see how you like it.
 
You could buy the whole conversion kit, with the bendix booster from James at PST. Comes with everything you need.

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?47474-PST-Disc-Brake-Conversion-including-Mopar-Style-Booster

Or just the Bendix Booster, Master Cyl, firewall plate, and linkage from mentioned above, piratejack:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-67-68-69-70-Mopar-Bendix-Style-B-Body-Brake-Booster-Mopar-Master-Plate-/201003285264

Couple other things I'd recommend; a decent proportion valve or combination proportioning valve from Wilwood or SSBC. You'll also need the spring that attaches to the brake linkage arm. You can see the groove for it in the linkage arm, on the ebay ad. Also, you will likely have to adjust the pregap nut on the booster rod into the master. Preload on the master, brakes drag and lock up. Too loose, excessive pedal travel before the brakes actually engage.

And to answer your question about using your manual master cylinder...If it was for 4 drums, the answer is no. The ports for the drum brakes in your master would have residual valves built in, not going to agree with disc brakes very well. You'd also need to think about correct bore size of the master in correlation with your brakes.

good luck
 
Thanks prop the car already has disc brakes. So I was thinking about going with pirate jack. I didn't know much about the pro portioning valve and preload on master. Is your car power brakes? If so did you convert it. Thanks
 
Hey no problem Deanfitz. My car currently has power disc/drum brakes. It was originally just power drum so I had to go on the hunt for the correct booster and master as well. And yes, I converted it myself.

As far as pre gap, it is the gap in between the adjustable nut on the end of the rod coming out of the front of the booster, that mate's up with the back of the piston in the master cylinder. When you press down on your peddle, that rod is what pushers into the master, moving the piston inside the master to initiate your brakes. There is a mere gap in between the two when at rest. That's you're "pre gap". It has to be set, so there is no preload from that nut on the rod to the master cylinder actuating piston when the pedal is at rest. Like mentioned, a pre-load will cause your brakes to drag, get hot and then lock up. Too big of a gap and you'll have excessive pedal travel before the brakes engage. Some systems require a small preload to their design. I would refer to the FSM for the correct setting.


Your proportioning valve controls the amount of braking (to the rear wheels). The factory had/has them and they look like 1.5" x 3" long brass blocks mounted under your master cylinder. A drum brake car also has this brass block, but it isn't a proportioning valve, it is a distribution block. I does not vary the pressure/fluid to the rear wheels. It just takes the two lines from the master and distributes them out to the four brakes. If you run a disc/drum combo or even a great majority of disc/disc combo's you need a proportioning valve to control how much brake force is coming from the rear of the car. Most cars run around 70% braking up front, 30% braking in the rear.

If you plan on converting your ride to disc/drum using all the same parts and pieces Ma Mopar would have used, you could use a factory style brass proportioning valve. It's engineered with the correct amount of pressure ratio for sufficient, safe braking. Those can be found New/RMFG in many places, and sometimes used in good shape. If you are changing up any of the factory variables with your brakes, like master bore size, aftermarket or different body style calipers and hardware, you would need an aftermarket proportioning valve. You changed the dynamic's behind the factory designed proportioning valve and now need to set the correct ratio yourself.

Like mentioned before, a decent aftermarket proportioning valve like Wilwood or SSBC will work great. The have a variable knob or lever on them that lets you control the amount of brake force to your rear brakes. It would obviously need to be mounted on your rear brake line. Lots of folk mount them near the master for easier access. You could also but a combination proportioning valve from Wilwood, which eliminates your old brass block all together. All lines run in/out of it and it has an adjustable knob to tune your rear brake ratio.


Hope it helps.
 
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Thanks prop great post, you answered everything. Thanks. I was talking to pst they can supply everything, so I think I will go that route. One other unrelated question for you, did you use an amd front fender on your car? If so how did it fit? I read your posts on the quarters, great info. Thanks
 
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Thanks
James
 
Thanks I will be in touch when it's time to order . James can you give me a price on the complete weatherstrip kit. Thanks
 
Thanks prop great post, you answered everything. Thanks. I was talking to pst they can supply everything, so I think I will go that route. One other unrelated question for you, did you use an amd front fender on your car? If so how did it fit? I read your posts on the quarters, great info. Thanks

Anytime Dean. Yes, I have AMD fenders on my RR. Had a couple issues, but nothing off the charts. One of the fenders I had an issue with the fender being too long where it curves under and meets up with the two mounting studs underneath (in front of the outer rocker). I had to take a pie cut out of it to shorten the width as well as correct the angle where it mates up. I spoke with AMD about it and they said the problem was already fixed and I had the old stamping with the issue.

Other issue I had was with where the mount holes in the front of the fenders meet up with the mount holes for the grill fill panel. Didn't line up the best. Had to elongate a few holes and do a little pulling and pushing to get everything to line up behind the grill fill panel. Last thing I can think of, but not really an issue, I had to use a more liberal amount of body shims to get them to square up to the doors, cowl and hood. Not a crazy amount, but definitely more than stock.

Body/finish work wise, they were pretty decent. I did a full skim coat (fine layer of Evercoat Rage Xtreme), blocked, high build prime, blocked, then a couple guide coat's & more blocking. I went with black so wanted it laser straight. You could probably get away without a full skim coat if going with a lighter color.

Hope it helps
 
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