DRUM Brake Overhaul - Now, for something totally different...

[NJRR]

There's a member here who was selling original material shoes, nos. @mobileparts I think.

 

[33 IMP]

Do you already have oem hoses for your overhaul? I am curious as to how the rubber has aged in a box and whether they will will be as good as when they were made. Rubber oem has always made me nervous. But I like the project. I'm still rolling around town in a 62 4 door that has 4 wheel drums and a single chamber master cylinder. Oh the horror!!

Me too. 62 savoy, 10"drums, single master, and 11 second time slips. Scary.

 

[Cranky]

Do you already have oem hoses for your overhaul? I am curious as to how the rubber has aged in a box and whether they will will be as good as when they were made. Rubber oem has always made me nervous. But I like the project. I'm still rolling around town in a 62 4 door that has 4 wheel drums and a single chamber master cylinder. Oh the horror!!

I did swap out the MC on my 66 Belvedere for a dual pot but I already had it on a parts car 69 Valiant. It bolted on but had to adapt the lines and modify the brake light switch bracket a little but it worked well and was new.

Me too. 62 savoy, 10"drums, single master, and 11 second time slips. Scary.

Mine went a bit faster on 11's. Oh the hairy scariness!

 

[Nevada dan]

save those old wheel cylinders they are easy to rebuild and inexpensive

 

[Bold & Old]

save those old wheel cylinders they are easy to rebuild and inexpensive

Not worth spending the extra time on something

they are so cheap buying new.

Just my perspective...

 

[Cranky]

Not worth spending the extra time on something

they are so cheap buying new.

Just my perspective...

Yeah, they are pretty cheap....but have always liked knowing that if I did them, they are going to be right. Years back had a problem with one leaking and after taking it apart, found one of the piston seals in backwards. I'm like wth.....?

 

[Basket case]

Good for you, I look forward to following along.

Friend has 4 wheel manual drum on his 70 Roadrunner and that thing stops as well as a car with disc brakes. Obviously the performance would drop off going down hills as the drums heat up, but with a manual transmission not really a concern if you drive smart. ;)

been driving a big block 4 speed manual drum mopar for close to 40 years without a problem.

 

[Nevada dan]

when you cant find your new old stock you'll be happy to find some good cores , that's if you want original, I'm no purist but I don't throw them away

 

[Bold & Old]

Yeah, they are pretty cheap....but have always liked knowing that if I did them, they are going to be right. Years back had a problem with one leaking and after taking it apart, found one of the piston seals in backwards. I'm like wth.....?

I bought all generic USA made brake drums and components with asbestos shoes from @mobileparts

I was not disappointed at all...

They fit perfectly and not that expensive.

 

[bm02tj]

Drums stop as fast as disc's they just fade faster
If you know how to drive its not a problem

 

[Ranger16]

I bought all generic USA made brake drums and components with asbestos shoes from @mobileparts

I don't believe there any brake drums or rotors "made in the USA" anymore. They are all made in China or Taiwan and then machined in the U.S. and then marketed as "Made in America".

 

[Nevada dan]

Assembled in America

 

[Bold & Old]

I don't believe there any brake drums or rotors "made in the USA" anymore. They are all made in China or Taiwan and then machined in the U.S. and then marketed as "Made in America".

The parts I bought came from a old stash here in the USA when replacement parts were made here.

I have had many conversions with Craig Stanley in New York about what he sells...

I would suggest getting in touch with the party that I supplied.

@mobileparts

He may have the cheaper ones too for less money.

he is a member here on B bodies.

 

[Bold & Old]

I did swap out the MC on my 66 Belvedere for a dual pot but I already had it on a parts car 69 Valiant. It bolted on but had to adapt the lines and modify the brake light switch bracket a little but it worked well and was new.

Mine went a bit faster on 11's. Oh the hairy scariness!

Would it be better to buy a new aftermarket one and scrap the old Mister Cranky?

My car will be a driver and looking for short cuts.... time isn't on my side.

Where did you buy your Master Cylinder Sir?...

 

[moparedtn]

Converting to disc brakes is one of the biggest “monkey see, monkey do” mods in the Mopar world.

I like your style, Ed!

Well thanks - but if I'm being honest, at one time a couple years ago, I had the SSBC conversion kit sitting
on my workbench, ready to go.
Turned out, they had gone belly up right about that time....and I was royally pissed at Summit for not telling
me so, since it directly affected any warranty issues.
Back the kit went to Summit (where I'm sure they turned around and sold it silently to the next sucker) for
a full refund...

For whatever reason, I'm being "called" to do the brakes the old school way this time around.
Might be that desire in old men to revisit their youth
- or to experience one more time what the cars felt like when we were younger (dangers and all, I suppose)
- and it for sure has a lot to do with budget concerns
- AND me not being the slightest bit interested in swapping on some Chinesium disc spindles for sure.

Whatever it is, it just feels right this time....so what the heck, here we go.

 

[hunt2elk]

Not worth spending the extra time on something

they are so cheap buying new.

Just my perspective...

Yeah, but you cannot buy the good USA made wheel cylinders any more. All the new ones are from China.

 

[moparedtn]

Semi metallic! It's something that I quit bringing up in the public forums because I ALWAYS got push back from the "that's too abrasive" crowd! Well, if they want to run oem/nos parts without wearing them out but still want good breaks.....they can put those drums on the keeper shelf for the show poodles and use the aftermarket or the oem stuff and semi metallic binders!

You know, I sold auto parts in one of 5 regionally owned private parts store "chains" back in the early 80's.
Retail over the counter, account servicing of local repair shops, that sort of thing.
In other words - good old fashioned parts counter dude, who wound up running the joint in short order.
I was doing that to make money while in college at the time, but as a young leadfoot, it didn't hurt either...
...and the only "national" chain mortal enemy to local stores then was something called "Trak Auto", which had
started selling the cheaper Chineseium crap.

Our chain carried Bendix on the shelf, along with a regional rebuilding chain for stuff like brake linings, starters,
alternators, that kind of crap. Our "premium" line was Eis - they were big into a/c stuff, but I found in time their
brake stuff was superior to anyone's, too.

The local shops we delivered to all had their preferences on brands and 9 times out of 10, they'd opt for the
cheap relined stuff - but for "hardcore" customers (and me!), we insisted on the best - which was semi-metallic
replacement linings, always accompanied by at least a freshly lathed drum (or even a new one from Eis).

I do not recall ANY reports from repair shops or customers of how "semi-mets" prematurely wore drums -
AT ALL - nor do I remember experiencing the same myself with my cars.
They did have a reputation for possibly becoming noisier than the non-mets over time, of glazing over a drum
if some spirited driving was going on, but nope - never saw them wear out a drum any quicker.

Now, all that said - how many freaking miles is Fred likely to see under my stewardship?
Not enough to make any difference with what type of linings I use, that's for damn sure.
You said it yourself, my friend - the time to have fun with these cars is RIGHT NOW - and if I can
make Fred safer for the next steward in the process, I'm all in.

 

[moparedtn]

Yeah, but you cannot buy the good USA made wheel cylinders any more. All the new ones are from China.

Au contrare' - as witnessed by my pic above, they ARE still out there.
Just gotta do some due diligence!
(The fronts I have coming are also USA made - old stock Raybestos units, in fact!)

 

[moparedtn]

Do you already have oem hoses for your overhaul? I am curious as to how the rubber has aged in a box and whether they will will be as good as when they were made. Rubber oem has always made me nervous. But I like the project. I'm still rolling around town in a 62 4 door that has 4 wheel drums and a single chamber master cylinder. Oh the horror!!

The hoses I've fetched are some of the old stock (but new) USA jobbers from Inline Tube.
Yeah, I'm somewhat concerned about shelf wear on the hoses, but I figure if they're kept out of the sun and elements
and in a dark box on a shelf, they're probably ok - and if they aren't, they won't go on the car, that simple.

 

[moparedtn]

Sorry sir but that is not true...
The parts I bought came from a old stash here in the USA when replacement parts were made here.
I have had many conversions with Craig Stanley in New York about what he sells...
I would suggest getting in touch with the party that I supplied.
@mobileparts
He may have the cheaper ones too for less money.
he is a member here on B bodies and find out yourself before you rebuke what i am saying please.
I am calling you out on this one.
I have been around the block a few times myself and don't lie.

Easy now Tiger, it ain't all that...Ranger speaks the truth in that there aren't any drums for these particular
cars CURRENTLY made in this country - as you said, that seller is selling out of a stash of OLDER, but new, ones.
By the way, that seller has done a lot of good for a lot of folks in this hobby, acknowledged - but in my
case, I've chosen to go another route with this.