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Government Tax on classic cars

Greg Aloisio

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I posted this on another forum and was wondering if anyone here heard about the state of Connecticut looking to impose a $2500 Tax/Registration fee on each classic car you own per year.

This was mentioned in this months Hemmings.

If this happens, I hope it does not open the door for all other states to follow.:eek:
 
Screw that! First of all this will never happen in Texas where I live, second of all if it is happening it's some Obama B.S. That doesn't even make sense.
 
$2500? Completly insane. ANY additional tax imposed on classic cars is unfair but that's just nuts. Let's make classic car ownership a hobby ONLY the rich can afford!!! Actually, the way things are going it doesn't seem all that far out of the realm of possibility.
 
Of course it sounds insane, but you know as well as everyone, the liberals all know that this is one of those things that wealthy people do, collect and restore old cars. So, lets tax that!! When will they understand that static analysis of taxes does not work, and that wealthy people will always find other things to put their money into when something gets monetarily prohibitive to do so.
 
And what's worse is we pay these greedy bastards to think this crap up!!!!

I was hoping this was a hoax so I did some looking and found this http://classiccars.about.com/b/2011...legislation-alert-not-an-april-fools-hoax.htm Looks like there is some truth to it.

Bob has the right idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc2OWHDaOJ8&feature=player_embedded

Our taxes are high enough. According to this article the min. ( raised from 500.00 ) assessment would be 2500.00, not the tax amount owed.
 
Of course it sounds insane, but you know as well as everyone, the liberals all know that this is one of those things that wealthy people do, collect and restore old cars. So, lets tax that!! When will they understand that static analysis of taxes does not work, and that wealthy people will always find other things to put their money into when something gets monetarily prohibitive to do so.

Liberals...You got that right. Connecticut is full of them. And where there are liberals there are new and inventive ways to tax. This would not surprise me at all. I am just surprised that the People's Republic of California didn't think of this first.
 
Our taxes are high enough. According to this article the min. ( raised from 500.00 ) assessment would be 2500.00, not the tax amount owed.

Yes, and any amount of tax increase is too much!!!
 
Liberals...You got that right. Connecticut is full of them. And where there are liberals there are new and inventive ways to tax. This would not surprise me at all. I am just surprised that the People's Republic of California didn't think of this first.

Yeah, me too!
 
You can only squeeze so much blood from a turnip and I'm sure all the turnips in California are squeezed out. Also, the whole state isn't too bad....it's just those two cites where all the fruits and nuts live.
 
You know if Conn.passes that bill it won't be long before every other state, jumps on the bandwagon!!
 
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Frisco and LA, can fall of into the pacific as far as I'm concerned!!!
 
Does the article go into what the parameters of a "classic car" are? 35 years here in Kansas for an antique vehicle and don't imagine anything like that passing here in a long time but damn...that is ridiculous.
Could possibly get around it by putting into a kit car or assembled vehicle classification by modification (or at least telling them that)?
I'm not one to try and cheat the system but that kind of a fee would put me and most of the guys I know out of the hobby unless the right numbers came up on the Powerball.
 
I knew this would turn in to a California bash. Hell they just lowered the tax rate here 1%. Not like that is going to help any thing till they cut back spending.
 
I knew this would turn in to a California bash. Hell they just lowered the tax rate here 1%. Not like that is going to help any thing till they cut back spending.

Woooa, 1 percent, you got room in your garage for all that money they are going to give you. Wait..... that's right, it's your money in the first place. Wish they realized that once in a while.
 
Not bashing CA...just the morons that run it. Well, I'm not too particularly crazy about liberalism and the people who consider themselves as liberals either. A buddy of mine says he's a 'yellow dog democrat' and I just don't understand that...same for being a far right winger and would never vote for anyone other than a republican. I'll vote for the person that I think is best for our country. Our freaking politicians have given away our country over the last 30 years!
 
Woooa, 1 percent, you got room in your garage for all that money they are going to give you. Wait..... that's right, it's your money in the first place. Wish they realized that once in a while.

That would be nice. I was shocked when some one told me it was going down. I was like what? Don't you mean going up? LOL

Not bashing CA...just the morons that run it. Well, I'm not too particularly crazy about liberalism and the people who consider themselves as liberals either. A buddy of mine says he's a 'yellow dog democrat' and I just don't understand that...same for being a far right winger and would never vote for anyone other than a republican. I'll vote for the person that I think is best for our country. Our freaking politicians have given away our country over the last 30 years!

Ya we got some tools running things. :jerk:
 
Our taxes are high enough. According to this article the min. ( raised from 500.00 ) assessment would be 2500.00, not the tax amount owed.

That is correct. To clarify for those who are not Connecticut residents, current CT law establishes an "Early American" registration class and to qualify the vehicle must be a minimum of 20 Years old with some other very loosely enforced requirements. Additionally, the law also sets the maximum assessed value of "Early American" registered vehicles at $500. The local town collects Property taxes based on a mill rate, which is set by the town. In simplest terms, dividing the town's mill rate by 10 (moving the decimal point to the left by one) yields the percentage rate; for example, a town with a mill rate of 30 mills, the tax = 3.0% of the assessed value of the property. In the case of an "Early American" register vehicle, assessed value is $500 maximum, times the mill rate of 30, divided by 1000 = $15 property tax or ($500*3%).

Now vehicles that are not registered with "Early American" plates are assessed at a higher value. I don't know where the town tax collector comes up with those values, but it's not based on Blue Book or trade in value. They are coming up with that value from somewhere else entirely but they claim it's based on average retail value.

Anyhow, back in 2008, the city of Middletown closely examined the wording of the "Early American" registration law and realized the $500 maximum assessed value didn't apply to all "Early American" registered vehicles (the previously mentioned loosely enforced requirements). Specifically, section "14-1 a" of the general statutes defines a "Antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle" as a motor vehicle twenty years or older which is being preserved because of historic interest and which is not altered or modified from the original manufacturer's specifications. Middletown started to require "Proof" that the vehicle qualified for the $500 assessment and was not modified. I don't know if proof is still being required, but it was last I heard. Luckily, not many other towns, if any, jumped on that wagon.

Getting back to the subject of this thread, CT House Bill No. 5580 introduced earlier this year is AN ACT ESTABLISHING A STATE-WIDE MILL RATE FOR THE TAXATION OF MOTOR VEHICLES AND AMENDING THE DEFINITION OF ANTIQUE, RARE OR SPECIAL INTEREST MOTOR VEHICLE. Specifically, it is an act to establish a statewide mill rate for All motor vehicles, so the mill rate would no longer be set by the individual towns. Car owners in towns with a low mill rate would likely see an increase in the mill while owners in cities/towns with high mill rates could see a decrease in mills for motor vehicles. Additionally, sections of the bill also change the wording of the laws, raising the Maximum assessed value of "Early American" vehicles from $500 to $2500 and also increases the minimum age requirement from 20 to 30 years. Last action on Bill 5580, it was through committee, reported on by the office of Fiscal Analysis and was tabled for discussion in the House. But no action has been taken on it since being tabled on April 7th so it looks like it's currently stalled.

The report from the office of fiscal analysis sheds light on what the state thinks can be gained:

Fiscal impacts associated with (1) establishing a statewide mill rate for motor vehicles, (2) increasing the property tax assessment cap for antique, rare or special interest (henceforth “antique”) motor vehicles, and (3) changing the definition of an antique motor vehicle, are described below.

Statewide Mill Rate (Sections 1 – 2)

An analysis of the impact of instituting the bill's statewide mill rate program1, based upon 2009 grand list data (the most recent available), indicates that payments into the newly authorized Motor Vehicle Property Tax Account (the “Account”) would have been insufficient to support the mandatory discrepancy and bonus payments had the program been in place in that fiscal year. The aggregate annual amount remitted to the state would have approximated $40 million, while the calculated discrepancy and bonus payments would have approximated $81. 2 and $7. 4 million, respectively. Further analysis indicates that the amounts deposited would have been insufficient until the fourth year of implementation, holding all variables constant.

Aggregate and town-specific payments into and out of the Account in each of FY 13 – FY 18 would be impacted by the motor vehicle component of each municipality's net grand list and its local mill rate in each year, and the given year (payments to towns having higher than median mill rates would be phased-down by 20% annually). Any balance remaining in the Account on 12/1/17 would be transferred to the General Fund.

Antique, Rare or Special Interest Motor Vehicles (Sections 3 – 5)

Effective with the 2013 fiscal year, the bill (a) increases the property tax assessment cap on antique motor vehicles from $500 to $2,500, and (b) changes, from 20 years or older to 30 years or older, the age at which a motor vehicle qualifies as antique. 2 This results in the following fiscal impacts:

● A statewide increase in property tax revenues of at least $2. 5 million. This estimate is based upon an average increase of $1,950 in the assessed value of 40,800 antique motor vehicles older than 30 years of age; and by $3,250 for 7,800 motor vehicles older than 20 but less than 30 years of age, applying the 2009 median municipal mill rate1. Additional revenues would be collected in those communities (a minority) that currently apply the $500 assessment cap to vehicles older than 20 years that are not registered as antique; the number of such vehicles is unknown at this time.

● A one-time cost of $121,000 in FY 12 to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to recall and replace Early American plates issued to owners of motor vehicles model years 1981 through 1991. This estimate includes $4,000 for processing and mailing notices, and $117,000 for the manufacture of replacement marker plates. The cost per plate to DMV is $15. 00.

● A one-time potential revenue gain of $132,600 to the Special Transportation Fund from the $12 transfer fee and $5 plate fee charged to replace the recalled plates. This revenue gain would be expected to extend over FY 12 and FY 13. There are approximately 7,800 Early American plates assigned to vehicles model years 1981 through 1991.

● A sales tax revenue loss to the General Fund of less than $25,000. CGS Section 14-62b permits dealers and repairers to acquire motor vehicles for the purpose of dismantling and selling the parts for use in antique motor vehicles. There would therefore be a loss in sales tax revenue from the sale of motor vehicle parts as a result in the decrease in the number of antique vehicles.​

basically, the 169 incorporated towns would share a reported state wide increase of 2.5 million in property tax revenue, but it will be pretty much a wash for the state budget. Considering the current situation with the "State" budget, I get the feeling this will be low on their priority list when they return from summer break.
 
This is just another way our corrupt Government is trying to control the hard working people of this country.
 
Last action on Bill 5580, it was through committee, reported on by the office of Fiscal Analysis and was tabled for discussion in the House. But no action has been taken on it since being tabled on April 7th so it looks like it's currently stalled.

Now that I think about it, the Connecticut Legislature has officially adjourned for the year (not considering they were recalled for the union concession issue). But that means any bills that were not acted on before they adjourned have officially died. We just have to hope it doesn't get re-introduced in the next session. But if it does, it'll have to start from scratch again in committee.
 
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