Help pricing 1969 Dodge SuperBee

[flypaper]

but there are guys out there who don't have 40K in their pocket to go out and buy a nice car........ they do however, have extra money every month to pour into a rebuild......someone out there would be willing to shell out 5K for that, assuming they could get a title.......

you just hit the nail
cheap buy in and it will sell for sure
i would be interested myself if it was closer
but i'm the guy who has extra fenders/grilles/
n96hoods,orig cut off quarters and more for a 69 bee packed away
so it wouldn't kill me to throw it together.
for someone else it might not make as much sense
having to chase all that stuff down and pay for it.
if it had a title i could see 5k
without it i'm at 4k

 

[flypaper]

lmao....... can't make money on them even if the car is free, their actual value is negative, and by thousands

ain't that the truth for most of them.
i think the 4 or 5k buy in is just the fee to pay for the dream..

 

[moparnation74]

you just hit the nail
cheap buy in and it will sell for sure
i would be interested myself if it was closer
but i'm the guy who has extra fenders/grilles/
n96hoods,orig cut off quarters and more for a 69 bee packed away
so it wouldn't kill me to throw it together.
for someone else it might not make as much sense
having to chase all that stuff down and pay for it.
if it had a title i could see 5k
without it i'm at 4k

Thats the key you have all the pertinent parts.....Also, the ability to redo one without a budget.....

You should buy it Frank at least in your hands it will be done right!

 

[flypaper]

I have too many cars already and
I don't have to go that far for another
I have another car a mile away from me
That my eye is on in better shape Then that
I just I haven't beat on the door yet lol

 

[eldubb440]

I know you build cars or something like that for a living....

I enjoy most of your posts and knowledge but this time you gotta be realistic telling a guy his car is worth negative bucks... you wouldn't take it if he offered it for free,,,, yadda yadda. There is still value there even as a parts car if you want to get to specifics.

Not fair bud.

don't misunderstand......please read my other posts in this thread....... Im a fan of saving these cars.........

i cant buy them, build them, and profit from them; but guys who want one can have one and slowly put it together, either with the help of a pro or do it themselves

someone will absolutely come along and buy this car (and most of the others), I have been associated with several basket cases that are no longer in distress....... my 2 personal projects aren't much different.......

would I take it for free?, hell yes...... I even stated I'd pay for it in an earlier post....... I thinks it's worth 4 K give or take depending on several details..... there is simply not enough info

 

[texas69bee]

I'm not sure what the title laws are in your state, but in Illinois it's worth $0....sorry

Why? http://blog.suretysolutionsllc.com/suretynews/how-to-get-an-illinois-bonded-title

 

[PP1RT]

Not all wrecks and rust buckets need to be saved. The hobby needs parts cars.[/QUOTE]

you are correct sir

 

[eldubb440]

parts cars....... I thought that's what base models and four doors were for

 

[PP1RT]

parts cars....... I thought that's what base models and four doors were for

I agree but sometimes a car is so far gone the only sheetmetal left that doesnt need replacing is the firewall. At that point will fixing that car make it a AMD Road Runner? Would it be any different than jacking up the VIN tag and rolling another car under it? It would be more Mopar than replacing all the panels with new tin. It is a fine line that has correct answers both ways and could be debated forever.

As to the original post i think we need a LOT more info to determine a price. The car i posted above doesn't look too bad in the pic either but the floor is gone from the firewall back and a tree fell on the roof on the other side so needs a complete roof skin and frame also. There are some RR specific parts that will get saved for other projects. There comes a point when they need to be knocked in the head and donate parts to others.

 

[rockdodge]

After talking with the DMV it turns out that I have a clean title. When I first filed for the paperwork for the title I had only a bill of sale and I had to have the VIN # inspected. I was then told (by the DMV) that it was a "brake in title" and I had to wait 36 months before filing for a real title, and the original owner could come back and claim the car and I had to give it back. So now the question is what is it worth with a clean title. Also to a question earlier in this thread, I have the original hood but it is damaged beyond repair. I had the two hood scoops but they were stolen. Thanks for everyone input.

 

[YY1]

If you take my 72 Charger SE, run it through the price guide at #1 (bear with me for the sake of argument) and then add all the options, it ends up about 35K.

It is dang near 100% complete and original minus the drive train.
It is also VERY solid and sound of uni-body.

However, it needs both quarters, the dutchman, a roof skin, a deck lid, and the driver's side behind the door cowl side fixed. Quarters are available, I have a dutchman, deck lids come up every so often, and roofs are not difficult to find, in fact I have a factory sun roof roof.

I've calculated the parts value at about 3.5K, not counting what's left over after the cherry picking.

what's the whole car worth?

Hint- less.

...due to labor, advertising and shipping.

 

[eldubb440]

After talking with the DMV it turns out that I have a clean title. When I first filed for the paperwork for the title I had only a bill of sale and I had to have the VIN # inspected. I was then told (by the DMV) that it was a "brake in title" and I had to wait 36 months before filing for a real title, and the original owner could come back and claim the car and I had to give it back. So now the question is what is it worth with a clean title. Also to a question earlier in this thread, I have the original hood but it is damaged beyond repair. I had the two hood scoops but they were stolen. Thanks for everyone input.

good luck on the sale.......detail close up pics could score you a couple/few extra grand if the car is indeed "solid" ...... no trunk lid will cost you a grand.... I hope somebody saves it

 

[PP1RT]

No motor/tranny. Needs fenders,grill,bumper,complete ramcharger hood set up,trunk lid, drivers front floor,quarters,trunk floor,trunk extensions. I would give $3k tops but i have most of the stuff to put it together too.

 

[threewood]

Someones parts car is another persons project car. As said above, not all of us can afford to shell out $20k + for a car. I love the 69 Bee and for the right price it would make a good project.

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

Someones parts car is another persons project car. As said above, not all of us can afford to shell out $20k + for a car. I love the 69 Bee and for the right price it would make a good project.

All I'll say is, if you "can't afford to shell out $20k+ for a complete car", you sure as h**l won't be able to afford to restore that Super Bee.

What do you think it costs to do a car? In both time & money??

Hint (it's more than $20k) & (the "time" is worth more than the money)

Tip - always buy the "most complete & finished" car that you can afford. You "can't afford" NOT to. Don't kid yourself.

 

[threewood]

All I'll say is, if you "can't afford to shell out $20k+ for a complete car", you sure as h**l won't be able to afford to restore that Super Bee.

What do you think it costs to do a car? In both time & money??

Hint (it's more than $20k) & (the "time" is worth more than the money)

Tip - always buy the "most complete & finished" car that you can afford. You "can't afford" NOT to. Don't kid yourself.

Go ahead and read through my rebuild thread. (1969 GTX...The T Stands for Tetnus)....that is how you afford it. Maybe it was magic but I built it as money came available, total cost including the car is a touch over $20k spread out over a year. So don't crush someones dreams because they don't have your bank account.

TIP- some people enjoy building the car not buying one trailer ready.

 

[eldubb440]

Go ahead and read through my rebuild thread. (1969 GTX...The T Stands for Tetnus)....that is how you afford it. Maybe it was magic but I built it as money came available, total cost including the car is a touch over $20k spread out over a year. So don't crush someones dreams because they don't have your bank account.

TIP- some people enjoy building the car not buying one trailer ready.

if it weren't for restored cars, and guys restoring their own cars....... this place would be a ghost town

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

Go ahead and read through my rebuild thread. (1969 GTX...The T Stands for Tetnus)....that is how you afford it. Maybe it was magic but I built it as money came available, total cost including the car is a touch over $20k spread out over a year. So don't crush someones dreams because they don't have your bank account.

TIP- some people enjoy building the car not buying one trailer ready.

Thank you, I WILL go read your thread now. And I will believe it was "Magic" until proven otherwise in your thread. Perhaps you are the exception, the "miracle man" that can take a piece of junk and turn it into a gem for less than $20k in less than a year? If so, I'll hire you full time to restore my cars (driver cars, much better condition than this Super Bee is).

My point is, if you're 25, you have some time to try to do it yourself. Hopefully, you, your wallet, and your marriage will survive the experience without irrepairable damage. No one mentions injuries, but they do happen when working on this stuff. What's the cost of losing a finger or two? Maybe an arm? Or lung cancer due to exposure to chemical fumes or dust from blasting or sanding? Ever wonder why paint and body guys seem to die off in their 50's to 60's?

If you're 50ish, you are much better off to spend some extra money up front and enjoy the car now. Not trying to "crush" anyone's dreams at all. But you shouldn't "unrealistically build up" someones HOPES either.

But again, thank you, I want to read about how you did it for $20k.

Oh, one more question for you. What is the hourly rate (value) for your time?? And how many hours did it take you? (sorry, that's two questions)

 

[moparnation74]

All I'll say is, if you "can't afford to shell out $20k+ for a complete car", you sure as h**l won't be able to afford to restore that Super Bee.

What do you think it costs to do a car? In both time & money??

Hint (it's more than $20k) & (the "time" is worth more than the money)

Tip - always buy the "most complete & finished" car that you can afford. You "can't afford" NOT to. Don't kid yourself.

MM in our restoration world it is a known fact the better the car equals the better the result. Furthermore, the better the car the less spent overall or more money freed up to go over and above on other things versus settling for less......

Then we have the other end of the restoration hobby and I do understand 3woods point. Buy in at a low price and budget things out to reach an end product. A car like the one in the thread needs a ton of work, sheetmetal, parts, drivetrain ect...but this group is willing to tackle it...More power to those guys/gals...

Different strokes for different folks.....

If the plans for this bee is paint and body, rebuilt drivetrain, new interior, all parts replaced, chrome plating, new glass etc...IMHO it is not possible to accomplish that kind of restoration for 20k.......

 

[threewood]

Thank you, I WILL go read your thread now. And I will believe it was "Magic" until proven otherwise in your thread. Perhaps you are the exception, the "miracle man" that can take a piece of junk and turn it into a gem for less than $20k in less than a year? If so, I'll hire you full time to restore my cars (driver cars, much better condition than this Super Bee is).

My point is, if you're 25, you have some time to try to do it yourself. Hopefully, you, your wallet, and your marriage will survive the experience without irrepairable damage. No one mentions injuries, but they do happen when working on this stuff. What's the cost of losing a finger or two? Maybe an arm? Or lung cancer due to exposure to chemical fumes or dust from blasting or sanding? Ever wonder why paint and body guys seem to die off in their 50's to 60's?

If you're 50ish, you are much better off to spend some extra money up front and enjoy the car now. Not trying to "crush" anyone's dreams at all. But you shouldn't "unrealistically build up" someones HOPES either.

But again, thank you, I want to read about how you did it for $20k.

Oh, one more question for you. What is the hourly rate (value) for your time?? And how many hours did it take you? (sorry, that's two questions)

Sounds like I should get battle pay for bodily dismemberment lmao. Really reaching to justify a point about since I didn't spend as much as you that it didn't happen. My time is not calculated. It would have been spent doing something else I wasn't getting paid for....plus you seem to miss the point of it being a HOBBY! I'm 44 and work full time plus have a night life, I didn't lose any fingers, no ptsd. Just motivation to drive a car. And yes, I kept a record of the parts and machine work. It's not too difficult if you do the work yourself. Maybe you should pick up a wrench more often than your checkbook.