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Is anyone making 500 hP with HP manifolds Non Stroked steel heads? please post combos

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I Know its not easy but I`d like to see what some of you guys can do with HP manifolds,non stroked,steel heads (Maybe 450 would be more realistic)
I know they do it in the FA S T cars but id like to see what the guys do that dont have 20,000 to sink in an engine.
 
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I Know its not easy but I`d like to see what some of you guys can do with HP manifolds,non stroked,steel heads
I know they do it in the FA S T cars but id like to see what the guys do that dont have 20,000 to sink in an engine.

I know about 20 years ago extrusion honing was the latest rage on intakes, heads, exhaust manifold etc.

Looks like it's still being done but don't know how cost effective it is but you can take a look at these guys http://extrudehoneafm.com/

or get yourself a porting kit with a flexible drive to get in there

btw the point of this comment was your stated desire to use stock HP exhaust manifolds :)
 
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If you sink 20K into an engine, why would you not run Headers is my question?
 
the 500hp thing is probably a matter of what your willing to give up to get there. around 425+hp isn't difficult on pump gas but 500hp will take very good heads and probably a non-pump gas friendly compression ratio. i'm speaking of real power at the crank here, not some internet/magazine rainbows and lollipops.
i got about 410hp out of the 440 in my r/t. it was a stock head, 9.3:1 pump gas, 272-.455 cam, 6-pak and stock exhaust. better heads and better cam (cast manifold friendly, not some thumper piece of crap) probably would have got me close to 450hp.
 
What do you intend to use this combo in &/or expect out of it ultimately ????................................... IMHFO take it or leave it, the camshaft {specific for using the far inferior & far less flowing use of cast iron HP exhaust manifolds vs any size/type of tube headers, even the cheap a$$ $150 off the shelf ones} the type of ignition & induction system, how well it's tuned {sized & specific for using the inferior flowing Iron manifolds} & especially the cylinder heads, especially the stock cast iron heads, they can be made to work thou {but they will especially need professional porting}, type/size/shape/bore of pistons/style rings/compression ratio & quench area, are all major factors too, if you want to get anywhere near 500hp out of "especially a Mopar Wedge engine", the heads are a weak link in flow, before you do any modifications, let alone handicapping yourself with especially using the HP robbing cast iron exhaust manifolds, not letting the engine breath, the engine needs to be tuned & set up for intended usage, it's a big air pump it needs to breath, the heads, intake, cam & exhaust are the lungs of you engine, by the way the F-A-S-T guys spend a ton of money on internals & heads, I MEAN A TON, nothing is off the shelf hardly, allot of custom pieces & they aren't budget builds, by any stretch of the imagination {except maybe the slower cars} custom camshafts, larger valves & professionally porting the heads especially, for specific use of HP Iron Manifolds, that is if you want to get the Big HP using stock iron manifolds.......... it doesn't take $20k, but it does take the proper parts combo, the proper money spent in the proper place, on the proper things & a really good set of great flowing heads, iron or not, iron exhaust or not... I would highly suggest you buy some how to books on building engine get the knowledge on what is needed to accomplish your task without wasting a bunch of money... I would also suggest contact a good head porter/engine builder familiar with Mopar Wedge engines, like LaRoy Engine in Challis, Idaho & talk to Jim LaRoy, he's a member here also, known as IQ52.... Good luck, 500HP @ the crankshaft/flywheel isn't all that big of a HP #, that it can't be achieved either...
 
Thanks Budnick lots of good information I appreciate it.

Your welcome... It's always good to assist/help, those willing to learn/listen....
 
It will be a regularly driven on the street and i want to be able to drive to the track occassionally about 70 miles away it has 391 gears heavily ported 906 heads bigger valves, 1.6 roller rockers, I am doing this backwards , the engine was already built when i got the car , i got no engine specs so the head is off getting cc`d to see where compression is , I want it at 9.5 to 1, I will change the cam to a Mr Sixpack cam ,perormer intake, and a edelbrock 800 cfm manual choke carb, skinny wheels,I want to get it similar to the pure stock cars with head work .
 
It will be a regularly driven on the street and i want to be able to drive to the track occassionally about 70 miles away it has 391 gears heavily ported 906 heads bigger valves, 1.6 roller rockers, I am doing this backwards , the engine was already built when i got the car , i got no engine specs so the head is off getting cc`d to see where compression is , I want it at 9.5 to 1, I will change the cam to a Mr Sixpack cam ,perormer intake, and a edelbrock 800 cfm manual choke carb, skinny wheels,I want to get it similar to the pure stock cars with head work .

Keep us updated on your finds... good luck
 
If you are looking to make 500, you could make better choices in parts. Holley is a better carb, or one of the 'modifieds'. Not sure what cam specs you are looking at, but almost any that put you in the range you are after will require headers. Static of 10 to 1, or higher, again need to check with cam grinder, because your valves are going to hang open and cut that down. If you are going Mr sixpack, is it hydraulic? Is he the one using the old racer brown specs? I know someone is, just can't remember who...
There are many formulas to do what you are after, some books would really help. Namely the old MP book, HP BB mopars, and talk to the cam grinder.
 
If you are looking to make 500, you could make better choices in parts. Holley is a better carb, or one of the 'modifieds'. Not sure what cam specs you are looking at, but almost any that put you in the range you are after will require headers. Static of 10 to 1, or higher, again need to check with cam grinder, because your valves are going to hang open and cut that down. If you are going Mr sixpack, is it hydraulic? Is he the one using the old racer brown specs? I know someone is, just can't remember who...
There are many formulas to do what you are after, some books would really help. Namely the old MP book, HP BB mopars, and talk to the cam grinder.

100% in agreement
 
If you are looking to make 500, you could make better choices in parts. Holley is a better carb, or one of the 'modifieds'. Not sure what cam specs you are looking at, but almost any that put you in the range you are after will require headers. Static of 10 to 1, or higher, again need to check with cam grinder, because your valves are going to hang open and cut that down. If you are going Mr sixpack, is it hydraulic? Is he the one using the old racer brown specs? I know someone is, just can't remember who...
There are many formulas to do what you are after, some books would really help. Namely the old MP book, HP BB mopars, and talk to the cam grinder.

Yes its a Hydraulic

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If you are looking to make 500, you could make better choices in parts. Holley is a better carb, or one of the 'modifieds'. Not sure what cam specs you are looking at, but almost any that put you in the range you are after will require headers. Static of 10 to 1, or higher, again need to check with cam grinder, because your valves are going to hang open and cut that down. If you are going Mr sixpack, is it hydraulic? Is he the one using the old racer brown specs? I know someone is, just can't remember who...
There are many formulas to do what you are after, some books would really help. Namely the old MP book, HP BB mopars, and talk to the cam grinder.
I think Jim Dowel is the owner of racer brown cams , I am not sure who Mr sixpack uses ,i just know Bob K is very knowledgable about mopar grinds
 
mr. six-pak cams are engles. i like engles and have used a k56/k58 split pattern before with cast manifolds. i also use a k65 solid in one of my cars but it wouldn't be cast manifold friendly. the '906's need a quench piston for pump gas or it's detonation city. i use kb184's in both my 440's.
 
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