Is Your B-Body Mopar Matching Numbers?

[meskip]

Numbers matching more value? See what the resto-mods are bringing at Barrett- Jackson? Numbers matching seems to only count anymore if it is a "rare" piece. As said above, modern drive-ability with the original look seems to be the choice & where the money is being spent.
I came to this thread because I'm trying to decide whether to rebuild my 318 that came in my 70 Satellite or go with a warranted crate long block. This conversation did not help at all. LOL

 

[PP1RT]

On some cars it means absolutely nothing. On other cars it is a sizable dollar amount.
On a 318 powered 70 Satellite it really doesnt do anything to help value wise. Do what you want and it wont hurt anything. In fact...if the right combo is added it can increase the value.

On a winged car it is going to be a bigger plus if the "born with" drivetrain is still present. Changing it will bring down the value.

The higher the value, the more important it becomes. The lower the value, the less important it becomes. Pretty simple.

 

[meskip]

Well said & my thoughts exactly.

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

Its all good till some gets hurt

 

[meskip]

Its all good till some gets hurt

HUH?

 

[KENTON]

I love stirring the **** on this topic it's sooo much fun to watch after hahaha

Restoring to factory original specs like on GYC is really the only true way to have a pure restored car. Using every bolt that came with it but replacing the ones it was missing with new factory style, example are bolt heads stamped with letters for a suspension or bumper for example, if you use a different type but same size bolt then the quality of the resto is diminished and no longer pure vs using a new modern version but correctly stamped or buying restored but original wiper motor date code correct or anything of that sort to where there it is too difficult to find flaw vs seeing one right off the batt. Having a numbers matching body and drivetrain is just a part of a pure car so to say its is numbers matching with the intent that is all original is pure crap to a purist. Savy?

The only real truth is the truth you tell and the truth your car shows, my 69 RR is far from pure but is it a real RR yep, does it have some numbers matching? yes body and trans only. Do I tell people who ask if its original or restored to factory specs? nope i tell the truth about what it is what's been done and what it current has because I built what I wanted not what some purist thinks it should be. Personally I think I have improved upon it greatly anyone else who has an opinion is welcome but the second you begin the blah this is not correct bullshit I will walk away from you laughing.

That all said its not enough to just have the body and or the engine and trans to be numbers matching, that term is **** and what it really should mean is the car has all the parts it had from the dealer and you can prove it with a build sheet! that is truly numbers matching you guys need to stop trying to half *** it and move on.

If every bolt had the VIN on it, that would say the factory thought it was important to have it that way. I think what matters to the #s matching crowd is that the history of the car is intact. It also says that car was better taken care of for its life. Without #s matching engine one never knows if the car was beaten to death & has some underlying problems. Not say all #s cars were treated with TLC there whole life, but for the most part it holds true. Now just what that means to every different #s guy, who knows? But to me it means 5-10 grand. So if your disappointed that you just took that much of a hit on your non #s car you should just get over it and live with the fact not every car out there can be #s matching, it's impossible. But don't try to make the case your car is worth the same as a #s car in equal condition. It just won't fly.

 

[FlagCraig]

One of each.

 

[kdtjb]

If every bolt had the VIN on it, that would say the factory thought it was important to have it that way. I think what matters to the #s matching crowd is that the history of the car is intact. It also says that car was better taken care of for its life. Without #s matching engine one never knows if the car was beaten to death & has some underlying problems. Not say all #s cars were treated with TLC there whole life, but for the most part it holds true. Now just what that means to every different #s guy, who knows? But to me it means 5-10 grand. So if your disappointed that you just took that much of a hit on your non #s car you should just get over it and live with the fact not every car out there can be #s matching, it's impossible. But don't try to make the case your car is worth the same as a #s car in equal condition. It just won't fly.

Well said.

 

[khryslerkid]

I can see the importance if you're a collector or wanting to invest your money into something that would have a good turnaround.

If you're just wanting to enjoy the hobby, it's not going to matter. Just don't overspend unless you have the funds and want the car real bad.

 

[dvw]

It was until I scrapped the slant 6.
Doug

 

[6PKRTSE]

It funny how there are more matching #'s cars today then they ever was when these cars were only a few years old in the 60's & 70's.

It's amazing how so many Hemi cars, Six Pack Cars, Boss Nine, Yenko Camaro's etc all have the numbers matching drivetrains these days. B.S. Hmmm, no one ever bought these types of cars to beat on them , blow them up & discard them once done with them????

 

[PP1RT]

It funny how there are more matching #'s cars today then they ever was when these cars were only a few years old in the 60's & 70's.

It's amazing how so many Hemi cars, Six Pack Cars, Boss Nine, Yenko Camaro's etc all have the numbers matching drivetrains these days. B.S. Hmmm, no one ever bought these types of cars to beat on them , blow them up & discard them once done with them????

Yep...those are the non #s cars.

Not all of them got hot rodded and tore up.

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

HUH?

Exactly!

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

If every bolt had the VIN on it, that would say the factory thought it was important to have it that way. I think what matters to the #s matching crowd is that the history of the car is intact. It also says that car was better taken care of for its life. Without #s matching engine one never knows if the car was beaten to death & has some underlying problems. Not say all #s cars were treated with TLC there whole life, but for the most part it holds true. Now just what that means to every different #s guy, who knows? But to me it means 5-10 grand. So if your disappointed that you just took that much of a hit on your non #s car you should just get over it and live with the fact not every car out there can be #s matching, it's impossible. But don't try to make the case your car is worth the same as a #s car in equal condition. It just won't fly.

I haven't taken a hit at all, just the opposite in fact my car has gone for a $25k resto numbers matching minus the motor to a $60k car I'm up $45k. My point is only true resto is one where everything is as it was like what GYC does and a numbers matching car should really mean nothing has ever been replaced except consumables of course. and as far as I know GYC is the only one doing it that way because most people want some sort of mod or un original aspect.

 

[Mike67]

It matches every dollar I paid for...

 

[Hemirunner]

The roadrunner that I’m building into a superbird was a matching numbers car. I gave away the original block. The transmission was still around the area as of a few years ago. I’ll never need any of it again.

 

[Thunderlugs]

My Hemi R/T came to me as a roller back in 75. Motor and trans long gone....shrapnel holes in tunnel area and right front frame rail from flywheel explosion. I left some of the scars intact. You can see the impressions left by the teeth. Th VIN, and All the stampings on the car match up ,fender tag ect. Sold new out of Mr. Norms in Chicago. Had to source a motor in pieces correct dates ect. not a very easy task at that time. (no internet). My simple point is, so many of these cars blown up early in their lives, all I could hope for was getting close on the dates of the pieces. I did..... It's the real deal.... And that's all that matters to me.
Thunder

 

[absolutfrase]

Well, my '67 GTX has a '69 GTX motor in it; close enough. At least the motor stayed in the family. Radiator is from a '70 Ply w/ 383 & a/c, but hey it cools the water. The rest belongs to the car. Stating the obvious, I don't believe many of us back in the day saw these cars as collectibles; they were designed to tear-up racetracks and roadways. With that in mind, we all know the stories of people purchasing these cars and within a year, lots of aftermarket parts got installed, the factory parts got the toss. I think that true number matching cars just went through a series of owners who didn't fool with the factory performance; the factory gave them all the power they wanted.

 

[roadrunnerh]

I think that true number matching cars just went through a series of owners who didn't fool with the factory performance; the factory gave them all the power they wanted.

Quite the opposite. A lot of numbers matching cars were owned by way fewer people who didn't pound on them.

 

[BSB67]

I have two matching numbers cars, 68 GTS 383, 4 spd conv, and and 67 Charger 440 Magnum. Both relatively low production number cars and kinda cool to own, but really not sought after cars. I do what I want with them and don't really care about what they might sell for.

What little I watched of BJ suggests to me that the matching numbers thing is kinda passing, except for the really rare and sought after cars.