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It looks like even the car shows on TV are going green with woke BS!

Some things are not time sensitive, you just adjust the delivery schedule to reflect the shipping speed.
Are you going to wait a year or more to get your products? Or get PAID for your products. Come back to reality. I want to protect the Earth. I like clean air and water, but electric isn't feasible in all applications. If you, or anyone else, wants to drive a hair dryer on wheels, that's wonderful. But fossil fuel is here to stay.
 
Are you going to wait a year or more to get your products? Or get PAID for your products. Come back to reality. I want to protect the Earth. I like clean air and water, but electric isn't feasible in all applications. If you, or anyone else, wants to drive a hair dryer on wheels, that's wonderful. But fossil fuel is here to stay.
A year? I wouldn't want to ship with your company if that's the speed you're offering. Remember Clipper ships? They did the China - North America runs at an average speed of 16 knots. In a day, 250 miles, up to 400 in optimum conditions. Norway is experimenting with hybrids; CNG power with sail assist. The wind increases speed and shortens crossing times. As I said, not all products are speed sensitive anyway. If you want your shipment of lumber, grain or bulk iron ore to arrive in, say May, you adjust the starting date accordingly.
 
I have yet to see a solar powered airplane.
Perhaps you haven't had the interest to look for one. Over forty years ago Solar One was already flying.
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Solar Two has completely traveled around the world.
Admittedly more of a curiosity item at the moment, there are several solar aircraft to look at in an internet search. Nasa included.
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Meanwhile, battery electric aircraft continue to be developed. It all takes time.
 
Perhaps you haven't had the interest to look for one. Over forty years ago Solar One was already flying.
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Solar Two has completely traveled around the world.
Admittedly more of a curiosity item at the moment, there are several solar aircraft to look at in an internet search. Nasa included.
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Meanwhile, battery electric aircraft continue to be developed. It all takes time.

That's experimental and NOT shipping any cargo. And answer me this, what happens on an Intercontinental flight when it gets dark? Or it's extremely cloudy? The solar cargo plane plummets to Earth?
 
A year? I wouldn't want to ship with your company if that's the speed you're offering. Remember Clipper ships? They did the China - North America runs at an average speed of 16 knots. In a day, 250 miles, up to 400 in optimum conditions. Norway is experimenting with hybrids; CNG power with sail assist. The wind increases speed and shortens crossing times. As I said, not all products are speed sensitive anyway. If you want your shipment of lumber, grain or bulk iron ore to arrive in, say May, you adjust the starting date accordingly.
You still haven't answered my question.


What I want to know is how are all of the "Greenies" going to get their electric cars? Or parts for their cars? Or batteries? Tires? Etc. Etc. Etc.
PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
Because electric Semis DON'T WORK!!!

How are they going to get steel? Roll the 48,000LB coils down the street?
 
I think a critical component of making electric transport practical is the diversion from classical textbook approaches and look at solutions offered by geniuses as much as 100 years ago. For example, the Tesla Switch (Nicola Tesla) could improve range by a CONSERVATIVE 30% to 60% with no other changes. Inventors like John Bedini, Edwin V. Gray, John Hutchenson, Howard Johnson, and many others showed methods of utilizing permanent and even electrto-magnets in a more efficient manner than we do currently.
 
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You still haven't answered my question.


What I want to know is how are all of the "Greenies" going to get their electric cars? Or parts for their cars? Or batteries? Tires? Etc. Etc. Etc.
PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
Because electric Semis DON'T WORK!!!

How are they going to get steel? Roll the 48,000LB coils down the street?
Why do you call the purchasers "Greenies"? Perhaps they are more interested in rapid acceleration, or lower monthly operating costs. My accountant isn't particularly 'green' but he opted for an electric car.

As for electric Semis not working, have you had a bad experience with one? Someone seems to think they'll work; Freightliner has announced their electric semi trucks. So has Volvo and several other companies. And of course Tesla. Walmart has ordered 150 from Tesla. Pepsi ordered another 100. Pride Group truck leasing reserved 150 of them. And it isn't just showing interest, Tesla requires $20,000 per truck to have them reserved. Even the US government has ordered 10 of them. Tesla themselves have been using their semi prototypes to deliver finished Tesla cars to dealers, and battery components to their factories. So, a lot of electric cars have already been delivered with electric semis, they seeming have worked so far. Have you seen the videos of them? Fully loaded, they accelerate to highway speeds three times faster than comparable diesels; less slowpokes getting in the way of traffic. With a range of hundreds of miles, they probably don't need recharging before the shift is done. At the moment, Tesla has figured that the operating cost is 25 cents per mile less than diesel, one of the reasons DHL placed their order for those semis - the payback time is two years.
 
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Why do you call the purchasers "Greenies"? Perhaps they are more interested in rapid acceleration, or lower monthly operating costs. My accountant isn't particularly 'green' but he opted for an electric car.

As for electric Semis not working, have you had a bad experience with one? Someone seems to think they'll work; Freightliner has announced their electric semi trucks. So has Volvo and several other companies. And of course Tesla. Walmart has ordered 150 from Tesla. Pepsi ordered another 100. Pride Group truck leasing reserved 150 of them. And it isn't just showing interest, Tesla requires $20,000 per truck to have them reserved. Even the US government has ordered 10 of them. Tesla themselves have been using their semi prototypes to deliver finished Tesla cars to dealers, and battery components to their factories. So, a lot of electric cars have already been delivered with electric semis, they seeming have worked so far. Have you seen the videos of them? Fully loaded, they accelerate to highway speeds three times faster than comparable diesels; less slowpokes getting in the way of traffic. With a range of hundreds of miles, they probably don't need recharging before the shift is done. At the moment, Tesla has figured that the operating cost is 25 cents per mile less than diesel, one of the reasons DHL placed their order for those semis - the payback time is two years.
The only electric Semis in production are prototypes. Coca-Cola bought the first one and it cost over 1 million dollars. They are far too heavy to haul a full tractor trailer load, which can weigh as much as 48,000LBS. Add that to the fact that there are currently no semi charging stations available. Of course it can accelerate faster, with an empty trailer, or no trailer at all. All of those companies "claiming" to have ordered them, are the same companies that lost millions on the CNG semis. Only to later convert them back to diesel or scrap them altogether. Ask Knight about CNG. They were on the verge of bankruptcy over CNG until they were bought out by Swift.
Electric Semis sounds good to the "Greenies", but in reality, it's a gimmick. The cost of the electric semi alone makes it unprofitable. And they have yet to get an electric semi that can travel 500 miles, which is an easy day for me. Add in load weight, mountainous terrain, traffic, etc. and your range just dramatically decreased. Then what, stuck on the side of the interstate without a charging station in site?
 
What I want to know is how are all of the "Greenies" going to get their electric cars? Or parts for their cars? Or batteries? Tires? Etc. Etc. Etc.
PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
Because electric Semis DON'T WORK!!!

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DIESEL POWER, THAT'S HOW!!!
Tesla's Semi easily out performs the best diesel Semi on cost per mile. As well as acceleration performance. The problem it only has a range up to 500 miles. (And that's with no solar panel assistance.) Once they get that up to 750+? It's over. The electric truck can easily out bid for hauling contracts.

The writing is on the wall. For those who can't read? Not sure how to help?

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The only electric Semis in production are prototypes. Coca-Cola bought the first one and it cost over 1 million dollars. They are far too heavy to haul a full tractor trailer load, which can weigh as much as 48,000LBS. Add that to the fact that there are currently no semi charging stations available. Of course it can accelerate faster, with an empty trailer, or no trailer at all. All of those companies "claiming" to have ordered them, are the same companies that lost millions on the CNG semis. Only to later convert them back to diesel or scrap them altogether. Ask Knight about CNG. They were on the verge of bankruptcy over CNG until they were bought out by Swift.
Electric Semis sounds good to the "Greenies", but in reality, it's a gimmick. The cost of the electric semi alone makes it unprofitable. And they have yet to get an electric semi that can travel 500 miles, which is an easy day for me. Add in load weight, mountainous terrain, traffic, etc. and your range just dramatically decreased. Then what, stuck on the side of the interstate without a charging station in site?
Being prototypes doesn't mean not existing. Everything starts out as a prototype. The first diesels to have turbochargers were prototypes, they ended up being commonplace.

Freightliner has 38 prototypes in the hands of customers, doing real world testing. Both a box truck model, and a semi model. If one of these passed you on the highway, you might not even realize it was electric.
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Tesla's Semi easily out performs the best diesel Semi on cost per mile. As well as acceleration performance. The problem it only has a range up to 500 miles. (And that's with no solar panel assistance.) Once they get that up to 750+? It's over. The electric truck can easily out bid for hauling contracts.

The writing is on the wall. For those who can't read? Not sure how to help?

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They cost 8 times what a regular semi cost. And that is 500 UNLOADED miles, without traffic or terrain to account for. 500 miles across the flat desert is not the same as 500 miles along the Eastern seaboard.
And while large carriers like Swift, Prime and Fed Ex may be able to afford them, the little guy like me will continue to buy diesel rigs and continue to serve the specialized market that those big carriers don't.
Keep hugging your trees, and thank a DIESEL trucker EVERYTIME you eat a meal!!
 
Being prototypes doesn't mean not existing. Everything starts out as a prototype. The first diesels to have turbochargers were prototypes, they ended up being commonplace.

Freightliner has 38 prototypes in the hands of customers, doing real world testing. Both a box truck model, and a semi model. If one of these passed you on the highway, you might not even realize it was electric.
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Actually, I am a little more observant than your average driver. The first thing that I would notice is the lack of engine noise.
Where are those 38 prototypes recharging? I travel all 48 continental states and I don't know of any truck stops with recharging stations. I also would like to know what they are going to charge the driver/owner for a full charge. I am also very curious what battery life is going to be under heavy daily service. And battery cost. The average overhaul for the X-15 Performance Cummins that is in my Kenworth is $35,000, and should last 1 million miles or more. That is on average 10 years.
 
They cost 8 times what a regular semi cost. And that is 500 UNLOADED miles, without traffic or terrain to account for. 500 miles across the flat desert is not the same as 500 miles along the Eastern seaboard.
And while large carriers like Swift, Prime and Fed Ex may be able to afford them, the little guy like me will continue to buy diesel rigs and continue to serve the specialized market that those big carriers don't.
Keep hugging your trees, and thank a DIESEL trucker EVERYTIME you eat a meal!!
8 times more? Where did you get that? You need to stop making stuff up? That has to stop everywhere. Tesla's expected base price at $180k. (Goes up from there.) Thats less than a comparable diesel. There are still some hurdles. I suspect the first production will be hydrogen fuel cell hybrids. But Iron. You are arguing a losing position. Just like the horse and buggie folks when Ford released the Model T.

I suggest get on board? Or for God's sake? Get off the tracks? Something newer/faster and far more efficient is barreling towards you?
 
8 times more? Where did you get that? You need to stop making stuff up? That has to stop everywhere. Tesla's expected base price at $180k. (Goes up from there.) Thats less than a comparable diesel. There are still some hurdles. I suspect the first production will be hydrogen fuel cell hybrids. But Iron. You are arguing a losing position. Just like the horse and buggie folks when Ford released the Model T.

I suggest get on board? Or for God's sake? Get off the tracks? Something newer/faster and far more efficient is barreling towards you?
The first Tesla semi was over $1,000,000!! My fully loaded Kenworth, which is the top of the line semi made, was $180,000. I am not making anything up. I have forgotten more about trucks than you will ever know!!
 
People that own classic cars while also advocating electric cars are on par with a Meat eating person advocating a Vegan lifestyle. It is counterproductive. It is hypocritical. It makes no sense.
 
The first Tesla semi was over $1,000,000!! My fully loaded Kenworth, which is the top of the line semi made, was $180,000. I am not making anything up. I have forgotten more about trucks than you will ever know!!
Even at $1 mil? That means you can get a comparable new diesel at 1/8 for $125k? Good luck. You must have some serious connections?
 
Even at $1 mil? That means you can get a comparable new diesel at 1/8 for $125k? Good luck. You must have some serious connections?
A base model Freightliner Cascadia when bought in fleet numbers runs around $120,000. The same with an International ProStar. I know this because I am personal friends with an owner of over 4,000 trucks. I bought my first truck, a Freightliner, from him.
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People that own classic cars while also advocating electric cars are on par with a Meat eating person advocating a Vegan lifestyle. It is counterproductive. It is hypocritical. It makes no sense.
Because one has nothing to do with the other? They don't make classic cars anymore. Thus why they are "Classic." When cars took over horse? Was that the end of the horse market? No. I don't understand your fear of the future?
 
I don't like it when things that I enjoy get legislated out of existence.
If the electric stuff does not result in some bullshit law to eliminate gasoline production then I wouldn't be so resistant.
I don't see them both co-existing.
 
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