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Mopar 4-speed overdrive

I have one and I'll be happy to show you.

I went round and round with trying to figure out WTF people were taking abut "just mill the retainer".

That absolutely will not work on mine.

At the very least, it would require you to put the bell on the trans with the retainer loose, and then put the retainer bolts in, as the bolt head would not clear!

Shoot a picture, but I did it. Both have 4.16" bolt circle, so why would it not work. Look at the 70 up 23sp bearing retainer C97621/2801892. holes in same spot as OD version. You just have to mill the OD down from 5.125" to 4.805".
 
Ok. I'm getting confused. So the A833/A833 OD has the same bolt circle for the bearing retainer? Correct. But the OD of the bearing retainer is different sizes depending on the bell housing being used? I will be using a BB bell housing.
 
Going to have to go back and get numbers off this tranny to fully be able to ask for help I think.
 
The big clue is if it has two shifter mount positions (one may have untapped holes).

I believe the info I got was from slantsix.org, and I can't get that site through my work filter for some reason.

Dragon Slayer may be correct, but I was pretty sure I measured it out and it was going to be too close for my liking.

How much material was left between the tapped retainer holes and the edge of the retainer?

How was bolting it together? Did you have to put the bell on before you could attach the retainer bolts?
 
Whayden, MOPAR made many variations in the transmissions and there for the Bearing Retainer. You need to read the A833 history on brewer's website.

I won't say all, but the Truck OD units I have seen take the big 308 bearing in the input gear. The early A833 used a small bearing (307). Mopar also made a change in the tail shaft bearing, again going to larger for the hemi versions and the overdrives.

You can move parts around on these you, so you need to inspect what you have. Cast numbers on bearing retainer, case and tail shaft are needed.
A common mod I have done is to take the gears out of the Aluminum OD case and put them into a Cast Iron case which gives you the look of an original A833 but with OD gears.
Racers like to use the Aluminum housing to save weight, so they would go the other way. I just bought an OD that I plan to put close ration A833 gears in.

Here is 2 bearing retainers. One is an original from a 70 up BB A833. Has the larger bearing cut out (308) and the 4.16" bolt pattern. The second one is the standard bearing retainer from an OD Truck. It started as 5.125" OD but with the same 4.16" bolt spacing. It was cut down to 4.8" and is a match now for the original piece. The middle picture has them stacked on each other so you can see the hole line up.
Ignore the fact that the original is sleeved for a hemi large throwout bearing.

The anomaly I don't know as much about is the A body late model OD trans. I think they had the same bearing retainer just a short tail piece, but I am not speaking from first hand knowledge on that.

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The bearing retainers use to be available if a different size was required. Maybe Brewer's carries them?
 
Yep. I checked out brewers website. It seams everyone is correct on the infor I have been given. There is multiple combinations of bolt circles and outer diameters. It appears it is true. There are many ways to skins cat for sure. Between using a small block to big block car and truck bell housings. There is no way something can't be made to work so this OD trans can go behind a big block 400 in my 69 B body. And if I don't like the gear spacing. Passon has gears and gear sets to cure all those woes.
 
Got the tranny home. Its the OD version for sure. ill post some casting numbers. Bearing retainer C13157,tail houising C-99539, main body C-13546. I opened it up looks good to go to me. got the find a bellhousing now. Going this weekend to check with the local "mopar dude".
 
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I just got the Passon 833 rebuild book and haven't got to read it yet. My issue is this.
I need to repair / rebuild my numbers matching tranny in a 74 Cuda. My rear bearing crapped out and caused damage to the housing and shaft. I'm sure it needs the tail housing and output shaft. I just bought an aluminum housing. I assume it's for the O/D style. Could I also use an O/D shaft ?
 
you really should buy the Hemi OD gear set, and replace the output shaft with another one like you have in it now.

i just bought the OD case and Aluminium tail shaft, just waiting on the gears (2 or 3 more weeks)

gonna be awesome
 
I would tear it down first and see what is damaged. Is this a very original car you want to keep numbers matching? What housing is damaged? Main or the tail shaft? Hard to tell from your info. Tail shafts are tail shafts so depending what trans you got A body or B/E, Truck determines length. If it is a Truck it is long and will work on the B/E. It is the gear set with input shaft and cluster that are different for the various transmissions. Your 74 E body should be the close ratio 23 spline. I am not sure how your case(s) got damaged, unless something fractured. Pictures would help.
 
the countershaft is mounted in the case without bushings or bearings so the iron box will be a little stronger, while the aluminum version is much lighter. to get the best of both have the aluminum one's countershaft steel bushed in the case but use a good machine shop as the bushings need to align within .0008". also show your front bearing retainer and bell housing to your machinist : it's possible to turn it down to fit a standard bellhousing, maybe not all but mine came out fine.
 
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