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MP distributor problems. Am I the only one?

The lean burn or emissions gimmick is all junk.... New it was junk. The ecu is the Orange or black box... they went to computer when they had the '70 fuel crisis and points distributor was done....
 
Where did you buy the distributor? I would think that based on what you've said in your original post that the vendor would replace it for you. Like has been said here many times, we shouldn't have to 'fix' new products that don't work correctly. Hopefully, they'll take care of you... I wish you luck.
 
I have points and swear by them.... and have had some on here try and thrash me on it... because they don't know points..... this just made my point about points
So, what is your point ? To be point-less is pointless ?
 
Summit. Since I bought the conversion kit, they have stopped carrying it altogether. That should tell me something in itself. I have to wait to call their technical department during normal business hours. That is on the agenda for tomorrow.

As I think I said before, I am slightly blown away that no one here has experienced the same issue. Through all my searching for answers, I have run across a plethora of different issues with these distributors over the past two years. Evidently the change from Mallory to Taiwan or China or whoever was a REALLY bad change in manufacturing. Enough so that Mopar has stopped producing them. Which also explains why this is the first time I have personally had any issues. The last one I installed was 5-6 years ago.
 
I don't even know where to start. The link is to a mechanical advance distributor. I don't see where it says it's 'locked out'. If your car's got decent compression good luck getting it to crank over with a distributor locked at 35* advance unless you wire in a disable switch to allow you to get it spinning before you flip the 'on' switch. As far as the 70 Hemis running "low 9s with a STOCK engine and a roller cam", I spent darn near every Sunday in the 70s at Fremont Raceway (one of the fastest tracks in the Country) and NEVER saw what you're claiming. Heck, the real Pro-Stock cars' NHRA record was 9.98 in 1970 and they're purpose built race cars. Fact checking and accurate information go a long ways toward believability.

It's not a genuine mechanical advance Mopar distributor he's selling. Mine seems to be locked for some reason. I didn't argue, I like it that way. My pump gas engine starts at 35 no problem. Ive heard of people mainly chevys having to run the timing retard on start. I guess its down to everyone to do their own research. I know what im doing, for my own combination.

There were a few Hemi's outside of NHRA and drag racing 'circles' that yes, did low 9's, basically standard, of course all the bolt ons and probably ported heads and ridiculous roller, but it happened, and the point is that the original Mopar stuff used to be top notch for these engine. I remember the factory mechanical advance 'race' distributors from Mopar for big and small blocks, they no longer sell the same distributor. It was all you needed to run for a 9 or even 8 second engine. I had one on my 440 back in the 90's.

As for this ebay deal, yes its locked. Its not a proper mechanical advance that begins low and ends up at max advance and holds it from 2000rpm (or so from memory) to redline like the good Mopar Performance ones were. Again I didn't bother argue or ask why because my engine barely sees under 3000rpm anyway. So the only benefit of a mechanical advance would be the easier starting. But a 10:1 big block starts at 35, well mine does anyway. I guess it could be the large duration camshaft. A lesser cam might not start so easy..... again, everyone has to do what works for them. I recommended it to this guy, maybe I shouldn't have given mine isn't acting like a proper mechanical advance, but I figured he's better off this way than going through hell playing with distributors.

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The lean burn or emissions gimmick is all junk.... New it was junk. The ecu is the Orange or black box... they went to computer when they had the '70 fuel crisis and points distributor was done....

100% agreed. All it was, was problematic. I remember back when everyone would remove that junk, myself included and fit the mopar electronic ignition with orange or chrome, heck I even fitted the GOLD box to street cars back in the 90's, a holley and some headers and they picked up like 100hp and ran 100x better.
 
So, what is your point ? To be point-less is pointless ?

Exactly...

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The problem with locking a distributor at 35 is.... the advancement goes to about 50° total with the vacuum and mechanical advance... I agree it would run... but a good distributor with all that goes with it cap rotor ballast wires and plugs and points or ecu... there really needs to be 4stages of the distributor start, idle -2500 2500-3500 and 3500-6000 or max.... most you can adjust the vacuum advanced and the mechanical advance to work for any combination points has more flexibility but in that it also can have more to set up wrong... the computers at some point will burn out some out of the box....
 
I would never set a distributor at 35 if it climbed to 50. the Mopar Performance distributor from memory used to begin low and then very quickly reach its maximum advance by 2000-2500 (somewhere there, its been years since I used one), and stay that way all the way to redline.

This one I bought from ebay, its just locked. and no vacuum advance on it. maybe he messed it up, and its supposed to act like a mechanical advance distributor. it doesn't. its basically a locked distributor. my timing gun cant be lying over and over again. and I like it this way it works the same for me if it had advance built in or not as mine starts no problem and I don't want to run over 35 total anyway. ive never seen a good 'mechanical advance' race distributor as simple to use, no messing around, and as reliable and good as how the Mopar Performance race item used to be, and they're no longer sold. so I wouldn't buy anything other than a locked race distributor from now on. this one from ebay, its either a fluke it wasn't done right, or he's selling them this way for people to just run em at 20 - 25 degrees locked. I didn't even bother ask, or argue, as after I realized the one I received from him was a locked item, I just began at 15 and kept advancing it at idle until it had 35 and it holds it dead on through the entire rpm and it still starts no problem so ive kept it.

if I built another engine and it didn't want to start easily with a locked distributor I would setup a timing retard on start, rather than try run any mechanical advance which just doesn't do what it is supposed to and wobble the curve and not be consistent.

and this mind you is coming from someone who ive tuned 120+mph naturally aspirated ls1's with a cable and laptop, and sat for hours typing timing curves in, and multiplying entire timing tables, you name it. and ALL that, a simple low deck MOPAR with a locked distributor will WALK any LSX engine when you know what you are doing and have good cylinder heads. all that technology achieves nothing. emissions? ha! they run cleaner as 500+hp race tuned doing 10's, than how they came from GM doing 13 second 1/4's.

technology blah blah.... bored engineers and the trillionaire elite they work for looking for ways to keep changing things and wasting resources, as long as they release a 'new' version, so you think its better and MUST have it, so they get to steal more of your money. if everyone was still driving a Model T Ford, there would be lots of zero's missing from their net worth, and there would be a lot more countries still under control by different family bloodlines.

yes I reached all that from talking about a locked distributor. the only thing a new HEMI has over an old one, is that we've been fooled into believing technology is good for us. its good for the elites pockets to fool us all into keep throwing away the old, and then they reuse it over again, and we buy it from them, again, and again. after iron ore is mined and turned into steel, since when does that steel get thrown away for good, do they dump it in the ocean? no, it goes back and they make it into another new thing for us all to buy.

and that's how 'technology'..... is good for 'them'.
 
Most every distributor came from mopar with few exceptions max advance is 50... total mechanical and vacuum and with the vacuum UN hooked it tops out to 35 all in by 3000 10-12° at idle... check it with a light up to 5500 it will go up to 50 with the advance plugged in.... I didn't say it was set and fixed at 50°……… or all engine combos... it's well documented shot I'm talking... a fixed 35° distributor would be the odd one out of several millions of cars over half a century.... not the way to go...

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I didn't say it didn't work... just on most it doesn't... I had 355 LA mopar with 22° at idle but it idled @1500 and redlined around 10,000.. that would only confuse someone working on a mild built motor...

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LOL.... even Colorado Dave would agree with me on this one.....
 
So, as expected A) Summit, who is really nothing more than a broker on this deal, had to direct me to Mopar. They can't support any kind of warranty since I bought the kit and stuck it on a shelf for six months. Expected that. B) Mopar says, "That is an issue we have no record of. Disassemble the distributor and see if you can find the culprit." He seems to think the misalignment of the pickup with the reluctor is a huge part of the issue. So, once my cheapo reman distributor shows up, I am going to R&D the hell out of this pile of crap that is currently installed in my car. No kind if warranty/support from any of those guys. This is where it turns into, "keep throwing money into it until it is fixed!" Just my luck! This is what I get for trying to keep things all Mopar I suppose.
 
I would pull it and get another distributor all together... and hope it doesn't act up... go to 'o rileys and get one... there mopar friendly or mancini racing... then wait a month and sell the junk one on here like everyone else does... then blame it on FedEx....
 
Lol! I think sleepar and I are gonna be good friends! I got screwed on here just like that! I am not that guy! But I know exactly what you're getting at!

My new distributor is on the way.
 
What comes around goes around....
That distributor has been in a dozen posts on here....
 
Oh??? Is there a bastard distributor getting passed around on here??? My screwing I got was a set of $60 "b-body radiator side plates" that turned out to be two of the same oddball garbage that no one needed! Lesson learned! That was from a "senior member" that apparently had sold lots of stuff and pleased lots of members.....glad I could be the lucky one he gouged!
 
Most every distributor came from mopar with few exceptions max advance is 50... total mechanical and vacuum and with the vacuum UN hooked it tops out to 35 all in by 3000 10-12° at idle... check it with a light up to 5500 it will go up to 50 with the advance plugged in.... I didn't say it was set and fixed at 50°……… or all engine combos... it's well documented shot I'm talking... a fixed 35° distributor would be the odd one out of several millions of cars over half a century.... not the way to go...

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I didn't say it didn't work... just on most it doesn't... I had 355 LA mopar with 22° at idle but it idled @1500 and redlined around 10,000.. that would only confuse someone working on a mild built motor...

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LOL.... even Colorado Dave would agree with me on this one.....

Leave me out of this...you guys are making my head hurt.
 
It would make the rounds.... lately it's been the valve covers.... then that will quiet down and then it will be a run of shot clutch fans next... before that it was a set of heads... then a string of distributor problems then a bunch of amp meter and bulkhead connector melt downs... whatever it is all the parts today are junk its just luck of the draw.... maybe I should keep my new parts out in the weather laying in the mud.... because those old parts will bolt on no drilling or welding and work... fresh from direct connection sealed up junk.... who would have known....
 
I just got a cheap, reman unit coming. Just something to pop in and fire it up to eliminate the noise for the time being. I am 98% certain it's the distributor. I just wanna confirm that last 2%. If that is the final answer, I will get one of the stock style ones from Mancini. They say they will even stand behind it, unlike Mopar will. So, when it arrives, I will have my certainty. That 2% could prove my 98% incorrect!
 
Mopar actually quit making the distributor kit last year by June of 2013. Nothing to do with quality, but the direction of MP parts. They have discontinued a lot of stuff. Hence, when I heard the news last June 2013 at "Mopars in the Park" in Minnesota, I bought a kit at that swap meet.

I set the advance plates with about a 1/3 of the slot showing. I then get more initial advance, which is RB Mopars like, and I kee my total advance to 41 degrees or less...Dont need to run the advance for racing. The advance can be handy for gas mileage only at partial throttle. it is supposed to quit working at full throttle since the vacuum goes away.
 
Well, here is an update with a positive twist for a change. My new distributor hasn't shown up yet, but I was bored today and yanked the MP distributor to get a closer eye on that air gap. I switched the reluctor for the hell of it, then rotated the shaft to examine the variation in the vanes. Low and behold, the shaft is bent! I'm estimating about .005" at least. I locked the pickup down on the closest vane at recommended and slipped it back in the car. It was still squealing at first, but I loosened my ECU to look at the back of it, left it loose with just a jumper for a ground. Wouldn't fire. Re-mounted it, hit the key, and it fired right up with no squeal. Go figure! However, the engine is not missing but surging. You can still hear the RPMs rise and fall. I'm just gonna go with that being caused by the variation in that air gap. I wanna say it's my carb, but I know better.
 
Bent shaft... the Chinese child labor must have lost a thumb or something before they cobbled out that one... also they get lazy after 23 1/2 hours standing on a club foot...
 
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