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My Engine Swap Saga Continues...

This guy knows that he will go to court and get a judgement against him, and never have to pay it, in the rare case he has to go to criminal court he will get a public defender for free and even if found guilty will never spend a night behind bars, so there is nothing keeping him honest, where if I walk in and he knows that if he pushes me around I am going to push back, he will either 1 not take the work or 2 do what he says.

Well, this whole effort has been to gain information and strategies for doing things, and this too has been a learning experience. I just found out someone had a third judgement made against this guy and he ignored them like the other two. So the take away for me is don't waste your time in civil court. You have to pay for an attorney, you have to pay court costs, and even if you win it means nothing. Thankfully I documented everything he said and did, so I can make a good criminal case against him, and while he gets a free public defender, I get a free state's attorney. :)

Best of all, he may not spend a night in jail, but when he gets probation I can I can have the judge award me restitution for up to double what he owes me, and if he doesn't get a job, and pay that restitution, he goes straight to jail. So I'm going to get my money's worth one way or the other. Plus I know nothing makes judges madder than people who ignore their orders, and Mike ignoring three judgements is going to piss any judge off. :)
 
Well, this whole effort has been to gain information and strategies for doing things, and this too has been a learning experience. I just found out someone had a third judgement made against this guy and he ignored them like the other two. So the take away for me is don't waste your time in civil court. You have to pay for an attorney, you have to pay court costs, and even if you win it means nothing. Thankfully I documented everything he said and did, so I can make a good criminal case against him, and while he gets a free public defender, I get a free state's attorney. :)

Best of all, he may not spend a night in jail, but when he gets probation I can I can have the judge award me restitution for up to double what he owes me, and if he doesn't get a job, and pay that restitution, he goes straight to jail. So I'm going to get my money's worth one way or the other. Plus I know nothing makes judges madder than people who ignore their orders, and Mike ignoring three judgements is going to piss any judge off. :)


I have had a few of them lessons, when I first started investing into rental property I learned what everyone warned me about for myself, and I also learned that when you sue someone it means sh!t, because the court cant force them to pay and you will just be out more money and more time. I had a tenant 6 months behind at $1180 a month, do $8K in damage {that was materials, no labor!!!}, and when we went to court it took me another 4 months to get them out (my fault, I was ignorant about lease language and tried to write my own, lesson learned), I learned a lot of lessons with that one about 25,000 of them as a matter of fact.

I have a 73/74 charger big block in my yard I am going to be parting out if you need anything I may have, I bought it for the disc brake setup, has a running built 400 in it...
 
Thanks Seventy, I appreciate your kind offer. The only things I was missing when I took the car in were the crank and waterpump pulleys, the engine had a mismatched set when I got them, and the brackets for a Saginaw p/s pump. I had the SB brackets but need the BB ones. If you have those let me know what you want for them. :)
 
Again Bud, the rules of the challenge are I am not allowed to do any work on the car that an average guy with garage tools could do. Any fool can open their wallet and get this done at a shop, or spend a ton of money on new parts and tools, but the idea behind this car was to show younger guys that they can still get into a nice car the way we did it back in the day.

Most of us didn't have lots of money. We relied on rummaging through junkyards, negotiating with people, horse trading, redneck engineering, and a lot of begging to get our cars on the road. Way too many guys are telling kids today "You want a car like mine? Well, you're gonna need LOTS of money, and years of time, and blah, blah, blah" and this project was about showing how that is bullshit. :) It's all about the learning, and now I'll be writing about how to deal with a deadbeat vendor.

Yeah you learned something alright...
2 + years of wasted time & hassles now, what's that worth ?

Sorry...LOL it was teed up

Hope it turns out for the best,
I'm not sure I'd use those rules or that guideline either, it's not a frugal plan or outline...
I prefer to do my own, I know what the car will be then...

Good luck & Happy Moparing,
"I hope the rest of the build & your decisions, goes way better"
 
i feel for you ...i my self had gone thru hell over my 65 coronet interior...with 2 local shops both i had to nearly punch out both ******** and was lucky to get back most of my money what i have learned is i will do my self any thing else i need done.... this web site and its great members and info have helped me get my DIY IN HIGH GEAR WITH OUT FEAR THANK YOU B BODYS ONLY
 
B I'm sorry to hear about what your going through. If it helps id think most of us have been there at one time or another and not just with cars. I work hard for the money i make and i don't mind paying anyone who is honest and does a good job but getting ripped off is the one thing i can't tolerate.
What I've learned is you can't be to cautious when hiring anyone to do any work for you,be it your car,home or whatever and the cheapest price might not be the best. Doing the work on your car yourself is not always a option and when your paying someone good money to do the work you'd think the guy would be grateful. Ive learned that these guys that rip you off usually are low lives who have some sort of personal issue. Get you car back,try and fight it to get the money back owed to you and move on
I will tell you this and don't take it the wrong way. Think a little when somebody on this forum posts something about the difficulties or issues there having with there car You've been somewhat to critical on people in the past. We all go through this **** and it stinks. Best of luck
 
Well guys, let me make one thing perfectly clear because some of you just don't seem to be getting it. :) My wife and I did not buy this car for the purposes of having a car. We've been down that road well over a dozen times in the past, and that road ran the gambit from daily driver to show car. There's nothing we haven't done with these cars, and the end result has always been we keep them around for a few years, get rid of them for one reason or another, usually moves, and then five or ten years later something motivates us to get another one.

Our problem this go around is we're now too old and experienced to go wasting a ton of money on getting a car restored or worse, turned into another show car that's gonna sit around 99% of the time and collect dust. If we were gonna do another car we wanted to do one that we could drive the crap out of and not have to worry about loss of resale value or investment, worry about storage, worry about how much we're worrying, etc. So we started looking about seven years ago but not with much enthusiasm because the market for collector cars was just nuts with investors and flippers.

It wasn't until 2011 or so that we started going back to car shows and talking to people and all I heard from everyone there was "Oh gosh, it's soooooooo expensive to have a car these days. It's soooooooo expensive to get parts. It's soooooooo expensive to this that and the other thing". That's when I ordered the first Year One and CI, and Paddock and other catalogs that I hadn't seen in over a decade and was like WTF! "They want how much?" And that was when the seed of thought was placed in my mind that there had to be a better way to get a car back on the road.

Then through some serendipity, a kid in my neighborhood got a hold of the rattiest 70s Chevelle I had ever seen. Total POS, but his was the first 70s car I had seen driving around with someone who didn't have grey hair in a long time, so I started talking to him about his car and he was telling me "Oh gosh, it's soooooooo expensive to have a car these days. It's soooooooo expensive to get parts. It's soooooooo expensive to this that and the other thing". And he had the Year One et al catalogs as well. I asked if he had hit the old car junkyard in Middleburg? Nope, never heard of it. Did he use ebay? Nope. Did he use a Chevelle forum? Nope. Did he hook up with Clay County Cruisers? Nope. He was working at Burger King and trying to rebuild a Chevelle using Year One, CI, Paddock, etc. That was when I found my inspiration for our new project.

So I can appreciate all of you'alls commentary about "wow, that was a dumb thing to do" or "I would never do that". Of course you guys would never do that... you don't have to. A kid today does, which is why we set the challenge up the way we did. I was able to take my car from a beat to **** car with a tree laying on it and no interior to a car that was invited to three car shows just seven months later and do so for under $5k, which let's be honest is a feat not a one of you could do in a million years, except maybe YY1. :)

Then we wanted to extend the project to not just making the car look and drive good, but go with a performance upgrade. This went nowhere nearly as smoothly, but that's okay. Like I said, we're documenting everything that's been going on, and will be going on. So you guys who are all "oh man, you really screwed up doing this", I'm cool with that. Just be sure to thank me when you run into a problem with a vendor in the future and you look up my posts on how to deal with bad vendors and apply that information to get results instead of coming on here and whining about how some dude ripped you off. :)
 
Some people get it... some people don't Steve. :) I suspect the real problem is some people have forgotten what it's like to be 18, broke, no experience or training, and wanting a nice old car. They sorta remember it, but not all the crap we had to go through to get what we wanted.
 
thats a good looking RR there Bru.
i understand what you are trying to do,
i do this with the Young Guns,
walk them thru the steps to get their rides rolling again without spending a fortune on parts/service they dont need.
and in this process,they actually earn how things work,what things do,
and how-to fix or save themselves on the side of the road.

i have noticed recently,
that a lot of the mopar crews arent half as helpful nor friendly as they used to be.
this sucks...really hoping they dont end up like the vette crews,
w their noses so high they need oxygen to spout off some build numbers..
 
i have to agree with you there, actually B i have to tell you that if you recall when i posted about my garage and you were sort of critical,well i am working on the garage now. Its a hassle just to get a little more room but when I'm done i'll have 11 1/2 width by about 27 feet length. Not huge but i can the car in and pushed to one side work on the other side or the engine. I relocated all my welding equipment and just got rid of a lot of other stuff.
What id tell you was when i posted that thread i was under some duress and was just venting and pissed off in general but maybe those replays got me to thinking and that was helpful. When you post stuff like i did and like you did in this thread your bound to get replies you don't like. I don't think most mean any harm however. Good luck with the car
 
Some people get it... some people don't Steve. :) I suspect the real problem is some people have forgotten what it's like to be 18, broke, no experience or training, and wanting a nice old car. They sorta remember it, but not all the crap we had to go through to get what we wanted.
Hey buddy. Any updates on where this went with Mike?

Background: I was the “Dents” part of the business back in the late 2000s til 2012. A buddy of mine got killed on his HD on the Northside and I ended up coming back to PA where I was born.

Mike got into me to the tune of approx $14k after a couple of hailstorms in Jax. He was cashing the insurance checks, but kept telling me they were giving him the runaround (lol how ironic). Once I figured out what was going on, I came up with a stupid way for him to pay me back. I had a 1968 Road Runner that i was building. It had a 440 block that I had bored to be a 493 stroker. A really awesome shop on the west side did it for me, but I can’t for the life of me remember their name. Anyhow, because of the crazy radius on the journals of the crank, I had them chamfer the mains and press them in for me. Then, a buddy of mine and I started building the motor at his house in Arlington. Got the bottom end assembled and we’re ready for the top end. But life kicks in and it ended up sitting for the better part of a year. I decided to let Mike work off his bill by finishing the motor and swapping in my .355 Sure Grip (which he actually did do while the shop was still on St John’s Bluff).

When my buddy got killed, I decided to move and started gathering parts to sell the car. My Edelbrock aluminum heads were no where to be found. The guys next door at Sunbeam Auto Body informed me that he was over there trying to sell my heads and stroker kit. My motor had been torn back apart, and he had replaced my brand new bearings with old, scored ones. He was going to just drop old crap back in there.

I did actually get a little back of my money, but nothing compared to what he owed. I got his aluminum heads from his race truck and told him I’d hold them until I got mine back. He told me to keep them. I ended up getting about $1400 for them a couple of years ago.

For some strange reason, I began researching him tonight and uncovered several comments like yours, although not as detailed. One lady on Yelp said that he went to jail for his fraudulent activities. Is that true? I remember one time at the shop on SJB, a familiar face came in that he owed about $6k to. A threat was made, with the word “gun” coming up in the conversation. Mike paid him back a week later. But that’s the same time that the insurance companies ”weren’t mailing” him my checks.
 
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Hey buddy. Any updates on where this went with Mike?

Background: I was the “Dents” part of the business back in the late 2000s til 2012. A buddy of mine got killed on his HD on the Northside and I ended up coming back to PA where I was born.

Mike got into me to the tune of approx $14k after a couple of hailstorms in Jax. He was cashing the insurance checks, but kept telling me they were giving him the runaround (lol how ironic). Once I figured out what was going on, I came up with a stupid way for him to pay me back. I had a 1968 Road Runner that i was building. It had a 440 block that I had bored to be a 493 stroker. A really awesome shop on the west side did it for me, but I can’t for the life of me remember their name. Anyhow, because of the crazy radius on the journals of the crank, I had them chamfer the mains and press them in for me. Then, a buddy of mine and I started building the motor at his house in Arlington. Got the bottom end assembled and we’re ready for the top end. But life kicks in and it ended up sitting for the better part of a year. I decided to let Mike work off his bill by finishing the motor and swapping in my .355 Sure Grip (which he actually did do while the shop was still on St John’s Bluff).

When my buddy got killed, I decided to move and started gathering parts to sell the car. My Edelbrock aluminum heads were no where to be found. The guys next door at Sunbeam Auto Body informed me that he was over there trying to sell my heads and stroker kit. My motor had been torn back apart, and he had replaced my brand new bearings with old, scored ones. He was going to just drop old crap back in there.

I did actually get a little back of my money, but nothing compared to what he owed. I got his aluminum heads from his race truck and told him I’d hold them until I got mine back. He told me to keep them. I ended up getting about $1400 for them a couple of years ago.

For some strange reason, I began researching him tonight and uncovered several comments like yours, although not as detailed. One lady on Yelp said that he went to jail for his fraudulent activities. Is that true? I remember one time at the shop on SJB, a familiar face came in that he owed about $6k to. A threat was made, with the word “gun” coming up in the conversation. Mike paid him back a week later. But that’s the same time that the insurance companies ”weren’t mailing” him my checks.


This clown picks a years old thread of a dead guy as a first post.

Scammer?

:rolleyes:
 
Hey buddy. Any updates on where this went with Mike?

Background: I was the “Dents” part of the business back in the late 2000s til 2012. A buddy of mine got killed on his HD on the Northside and I ended up coming back to PA where I was born.

Mike got into me to the tune of approx $14k after a couple of hailstorms in Jax. He was cashing the insurance checks, but kept telling me they were giving him the runaround (lol how ironic). Once I figured out what was going on, I came up with a stupid way for him to pay me back. I had a 1968 Road Runner that i was building. It had a 440 block that I had bored to be a 493 stroker. A really awesome shop on the west side did it for me, but I can’t for the life of me remember their name. Anyhow, because of the crazy radius on the journals of the crank, I had them chamfer the mains and press them in for me. Then, a buddy of mine and I started building the motor at his house in Arlington. Got the bottom end assembled and we’re ready for the top end. But life kicks in and it ended up sitting for the better part of a year. I decided to let Mike work off his bill by finishing the motor and swapping in my .355 Sure Grip (which he actually did do while the shop was still on St John’s Bluff).

When my buddy got killed, I decided to move and started gathering parts to sell the car. My Edelbrock aluminum heads were no where to be found. The guys next door at Sunbeam Auto Body informed me that he was over there trying to sell my heads and stroker kit. My motor had been torn back apart, and he had replaced my brand new bearings with old, scored ones. He was going to just drop old crap back in there.

I did actually get a little back of my money, but nothing compared to what he owed. I got his aluminum heads from his race truck and told him I’d hold them until I got mine back. He told me to keep them. I ended up getting about $1400 for them a couple of years ago.

For some strange reason, I began researching him tonight and uncovered several comments like yours, although not as detailed. One lady on Yelp said that he went to jail for his fraudulent activities. Is that true? I remember one time at the shop on SJB, a familiar face came in that he owed about $6k to. A threat was made, with the word “gun” coming up in the conversation. Mike paid him back a week later. But that’s the same time that the insurance companies ”weren’t mailing” him my checks.

He won't be answering your post...

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Hey buddy. Any updates on where this went with Mike?

Background: I was the “Dents” part of the business back in the late 2000s til 2012. A buddy of mine got killed on his HD on the Northside and I ended up coming back to PA where I was born.

Mike got into me to the tune of approx $14k after a couple of hailstorms in Jax. He was cashing the insurance checks, but kept telling me they were giving him the runaround (lol how ironic). Once I figured out what was going on, I came up with a stupid way for him to pay me back. I had a 1968 Road Runner that i was building. It had a 440 block that I had bored to be a 493 stroker. A really awesome shop on the west side did it for me, but I can’t for the life of me remember their name. Anyhow, because of the crazy radius on the journals of the crank, I had them chamfer the mains and press them in for me. Then, a buddy of mine and I started building the motor at his house in Arlington. Got the bottom end assembled and we’re ready for the top end. But life kicks in and it ended up sitting for the better part of a year. I decided to let Mike work off his bill by finishing the motor and swapping in my .355 Sure Grip (which he actually did do while the shop was still on St John’s Bluff).

When my buddy got killed, I decided to move and started gathering parts to sell the car. My Edelbrock aluminum heads were no where to be found. The guys next door at Sunbeam Auto Body informed me that he was over there trying to sell my heads and stroker kit. My motor had been torn back apart, and he had replaced my brand new bearings with old, scored ones. He was going to just drop old crap back in there.

I did actually get a little back of my money, but nothing compared to what he owed. I got his aluminum heads from his race truck and told him I’d hold them until I got mine back. He told me to keep them. I ended up getting about $1400 for them a couple of years ago.

For some strange reason, I began researching him tonight and uncovered several comments like yours, although not as detailed. One lady on Yelp said that he went to jail for his fraudulent activities. Is that true? I remember one time at the shop on SJB, a familiar face came in that he owed about $6k to. A threat was made, with the word “gun” coming up in the conversation. Mike paid him back a week later. But that’s the same time that the insurance companies ”weren’t mailing” him my checks.
Most newbies introduce themselves and their cars (preferably with pictures) in the following forum:

Welcome Wagon
 
Lol I’ve never seen a scammer with a post like mine.

I apologize if my manner of posting was unethical for this forum. As I mentioned already, my Road Runner was sold in 2012. My Google search for what became of that charlatan led me to this forum. I only joined to speak with the OP (and to peruse occasionally because I’m still a big Mopar lover. This part of the country has some super rare Mopars. Like the 1-of-50 1964 super stock Hemi Sport Fury that I remember from my childhood in the 70’s and still resides about 10 minutes from where I live now).

That saddens me that the OP is no longer with us. I wonder if I met him while I was still there.

Scammer... That one got a laugh out of me.
 
This clown picks a years old thread of a dead guy as a first post.

Scammer?

:rolleyes:
I don't get a scammer vibe... I get a looking back & seeing who else got screwed vibe... He was searching the shop name probably through Google & this thread came up... How would he know Bruzilla had passed without a fair bit of digging vs just posting to see if he got a response.... Not everyone is a crook... (But there are a lot of them out there)
 
Some people get it... some people don't Steve. :) I suspect the real problem is some people have forgotten what it's like to be 18, broke, no experience or training, and wanting a nice old car. They sorta remember it, but not all the crap we had to go through to get what we wanted.
Since I was a 14 year old growing up
smack dab in the middle of the muscle
car era, there has never been a time
where trials and tribulations swayed
my love for working on cars and
restoring a few, to the point of
considering them putting up with
"crap" when things didn't go my way.
I learned long ago how to spot a
shyster from someone who was
sincere when it comes to our hobby.
Due diligence plays a big part on how
smooth the builds' going to go.
We all change our methods of project
completion as we age.
I'm darned lucky I have a 40 year old
son with half the ailments I suffer
from, who's happy to learn.
I'm having a hard time understanding
why your past restorations were
merely parked and gathering dust,
only to be sold, and entering the
avenue of "crap" again.
I'm with Bud on this entire scenario.
 
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