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need advice how to improve my SSBC disc brake setup

RedHot67

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Hi,

I have SSBC disc brakes installed all around, but the brake power is unfortunately way too weak.

My installed SSBC parts are:

Booster http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ssb-a28144
Front: http://www.summitracing.com/dom/parts/ssb-a156/overview/make/dodge
Rear: http://www.summitracing.com/dom/parts/ssb-a155/overview/
Brake pads are brand new by Hawk.
Vacuum at idle is -16 inHg

Maybe a master cylinder with a smaller piston diameter would help?
Like this one: http://www.doctordiff.com/aluminum-master-cylinder-kit.html
Would it fit my booster, what do you think?

THX`n greetz from Germany,

Dan
 
Have you spoken with SSBC?

I`ve tried to get hold of the tech guy so many times, but as a private person it seems to be nearly impossible.
They also do not respond to mails, tried it several times.
Their customer service really sucks.....but if you try to get the information via Summit it works.

Dan
 
SSBC is junk. Take it all off and start over with Baer willwood or the factory setups. I have SSBC and it won't see a new set of pads. It came junk out of the boxes.... summit is a $hitty company... everything I have from them was a second or third.... they dive the dumpster for the parts they sell. I am just so frustrated with today's quality I just run what ever crap they send me. My master came with a well rounded tablespoon or casting sand in it. Can't clean it all out... best case is to hope they fail and you spin out of control and take out some dummy wearing a summit ball cap at the event. Test the brakes in front of there displays.....
 
SSBC is junk. Take it all off and start over with Baer willwood or the factory setups. I have SSBC and it won't see a new set of pads. It came junk out of the boxes.... summit is a $hitty company... everything I have from them was a second or third.... they dive the dumpster for the parts they sell. I am just so frustrated with today's quality I just run what ever crap they send me. My master came with a well rounded tablespoon or casting sand in it. Can't clean it all out... best case is to hope they fail and you spin out of control and take out some dummy wearing a summit ball cap at the event. Test the brakes in front of there displays.....


I absolutely agree on that, but the previous owner of my Coronet installed all the SSBC crap u know.
Over here you can not just go to the next auto part store and pick up the parts you need, thats always a pain ($$$$).
Everything I need has to be ordered from overseas, you dont really wanna know how much shipping I always pay ;o)
So for now I try to get the best outta the SSBC junk.

In terms of Summit....you`re right, a lot of their stuff is from Asia now, and not made in the USA.... :disgust:
 
What diverter valve did you use? You still need to balance brake fluid 60/40 for front discs. Where as disc combo would be 70/30 drums

Are you talking about the proportioning valve? It is a SSBC valve as well.
The master cylinder is a disc/disc and the chamber size looks pretty much the same, but can be a 60/40 not sure on that.
 
Regardless of excuses for SSBC. If you want better brakes shop somewhere else... especially if you have to ship half way around the world. Sometimes it's hard to realize that we get taken by these companies... get a mustang and then salvage the brake system for the car it's intended for.... or keep the mopar and get the right one for that car. You're in a conundrum putting SSBS on a mopar and expecting to be happy with it. I have 1/2 a system in parts and a complete system installed.... nightmare.... all I did was replace drums for rotors with less confidence in the system.... wasting my time and money.... factory b/e body discs would have been better.... relining the old shoes with green grabber material would be better than ssbc conversion. I only got Ssbs because my car had it when I bought it. Now I know why it was incomplete. The previous owner got taken by the shop and got a mix match of parts. I put a full complete system on and hate it.... I would rather have factory disc set up or go Baer... nothing is stainless but the brake line... total scam... the proportion valve adjustment is the one thing I like in the kit.... not worth the $800 I paid for it though...

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Hi,

I have SSBC disc brakes installed all around, but the brake power is unfortunately way too weak.

My installed SSBC parts are:

Booster http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ssb-a28144
Front: http://www.summitracing.com/dom/parts/ssb-a156/overview/make/dodge
Rear: http://www.summitracing.com/dom/parts/ssb-a155/overview/
Brake pads are brand new by Hawk.
Vacuum at idle is -16 inHg

Maybe a master cylinder with a smaller piston diameter would help?
Like this one: http://www.doctordiff.com/aluminum-master-cylinder-kit.html
Would it fit my booster, what do you think?

THX`n greetz from Germany,

Dan[/QUOTE
Dual diaphragm booster and tall hemi master cylinder. Mancini racing
Baer or willwood conversion tires and rims to fit.
 
OK, another opinion. The 11" Hemi drums work fine for me. Praysedyno brakes in a box with improved blended shoe material and stiffer springs. 1800 Mile road trip and no problems. I don't make a series of high speed stops to generate fade.

Now on Summit. I love Summit and wear the hat sometimes. Call Monday late and the order is on the porch by Wed. And they get it right. I got an Edelbrock Street 120 gph fuel pump that failed on the road. Not Summits fault. They made good. Too many tales of woe on discs. Not for me, not needed.
 
Another. Thing.... mopar master cylinders plumb the front reservoir to the rear brakes and the front reservoir on the SSBS IS for the front. Having it backwards would make the rears want to lock up sooner or to compensate for that mistake the proportion valve would adjust out the difference loosening at least 10-20% of what's available. With out knowing how mutch or little you have... my master cylinder came from summit full of casting sand.... and I cleaned it well and had some come out when I bled the lines.... you could be bound up in dirt. I would not recommend SSBC beyond a demolition derby car.... I have changed the course of my restoration from enjoying replacing everything with new and improved stuff. To just jet it together enough to roll down the road... no long trips... more or less just a paperweight. My car ran great had 55,000 original miles before I started... now it's the biggest pain in the a$$.
 
I buy from all over and summit is garbage. Dr diff sent me garbage and then tried to make good on it. If you have the time to waste on BS games be my guest. More than half the stuff for my car never made it down the road. These companies start out catering to Chevy and then branch off to Ford's and after they've been sold a dozen times to China get into mopar..... I wish I had never touched the car... beyond the original equipment available at the time or from mopar pre 74'... and I love to work on them.... if I didn't mind working rather than driving it would be another story.
 
The disc brake spindles fit 62- 79 b body's a Cordoba or diplomat are the same
 
I buy from all over and summit is garbage. Dr diff sent me garbage and then tried to make good on it. If you have the time to waste on BS games be my guest. More than half the stuff for my car never made it down the road. These companies start out catering to Chevy and then branch off to Ford's and after they've been sold a dozen times to China get into mopar..... I wish I had never touched the car... beyond the original equipment available at the time or from mopar pre 74'... and I love to work on them.... if I didn't mind working rather than driving it would be another story.

I know what stepbacks you are actually talking about, thats why I currently tear out quite a lot of the tuning stuff and go back to stock.
My problem is that the previous owner ripped out all the oem parts and probably threw them in the junk.

Maybe I should contact a scrap yard to bring the brakes back to sock.
 
I'm sorry that you guys have had such problems with Summit Racing. In the end, Summit is a reseller, as is Jegs, Speedway Motors and everybody else who isn't a manufacturer. I buy a lot of name brand , quality parts from Summit and receive fast delivery (overnight in most cases) and great customer service. In my book they are the best at what they do. As far as disc brakes and problems, since they have been standard on cars and trucks for over 50 years, I think that most problems arise from mismatched parts or faulty installation. If I had received a brake part from a supplier with a lot of casting sand in it, it would have been on the next truck back to them.
Why don't you try asking Summit to contact SSBC on your behalf to get the problem ironed out?
Good luck whichever way you go.
 
I'm sorry that you guys have had such problems with Summit Racing. In the end, Summit is a reseller, as is Jegs, Speedway Motors and everybody else who isn't a manufacturer. I buy a lot of name brand , quality parts from Summit and receive fast delivery (overnight in most cases) and great customer service. In my book they are the best at what they do. As far as disc brakes and problems, since they have been standard on cars and trucks for over 50 years, I think that most problems arise from mismatched parts or faulty installation. If I had received a brake part from a supplier with a lot of casting sand in it, it would have been on the next truck back to them.
Why don't you try asking Summit to contact SSBC on your behalf to get the problem ironed out?
Good luck whichever way you go.

Yeah, not sure I'd drag summit into this either, they make 0% of what they sell. The problem is sorting their lists by cheapest price and ordering the 1st thing you see.
 
I am surprised that some of you guys had bad luck with SSBC. I have the front disc set up that came complete right down to the cotter pins. I have no problem stopping my 3800+ lb junk from 135 MPH.:blob1:
 
RedHot67 -
Sorry to hear about all of the troubles you're having with getting your brake system to work well, especially from all the way over in Germany. You sound like me 3 yrs ago! I too fell for marketing hype and wasted my money and thought for sure these pre-boxed brake kits MUST be better than what I had since it's the 21st century. WRONG! I have a '68 Plymouth Sport Satellite. It came with stock rear drums (leave 'em, they're fine) and the previous owner had already converted the fronts to disc spindle, calipers, master cylinder and single diaphragm vacuum booster from an early '70's A-body or E-body he told me. Those brakes grabbed hard! They were snappy, but no proportioning valve, only the distribution valve, so they were probably dangerous, but could be made to work with a proportioning valve installed. Problem was that when applying the brake, the front end pulled hard left. I thought the rotors or calipers were bad, but didn't discover it was only a plugged brake line until after I'd already sold the brakes and bought a kit in a box from Master Power Brakes. I am not new to classic cars, but was new to mopars at the time and didn't know jack. What I learned - DO NOT SELL PARTS YOU REMOVE UNTIL YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THE REPLACEMENT PARTS. haha If I had to do it over again, I'd leave the '70's E-body or A-body setup that was on there. I know others have this setup and are very happy with it.

So fast forward - I bought the full kit from MPB like you bought the SSBC kit, mainly because MPB supplies stock disc spindles from a Cordoba (someone else mentioned that adaptability earlier). After installed, I HATED the way the pedal felt and braking was sub-par. My mechanic showed me how the slider calipers were bent and not sliding freely and true, but he managed to beat them into shape and even with a master cylinder change I still hated them. I did, however, really like Master Power Brake's customer service and I only wish they're kit was just as good.

What I have now and really like are stock 10" rear drums, 11.75" x 1" thick flat rotors from Napa Auto (generic stuff, but 1" bigger than stock diameter and no need for cross-drilled slotted rotors - no need for the street and they take a long time to wear in so the pedal doesn't feel funny.). I also have a caliper adapter from AR engineering to accept the larger rotors, wilwood forged dynalite 4-piston pin-type calipers with wilwood BP-10 pads, wilwood proportioning valve, and a Raybestos brand Blue box (their mid-grade and recommended over the cheaper one due to casting quality and lid sealing) master cylinder with 15/16" bore, along with some pretty high end stainless steel brake lines with real nice fittings to prevent leaks that my suspension shop sourced for me from one of their go-to vendors. The brake lines were key as was the MC bore being close to 1". Go too much bigger and pedal may feel too soft, but I guess that depends on your caliper demand. Only thing I kept from MPB was their 8" dual diaphragm vacuum booster. Pedal feel is great, not too snappy, but don't have to stand on it to get it to stop. This setup works really well.

If I were you I'd ditch those calipers and Master Cylinder and brake lines and make sure you use a Master Cylinder for Disc/drum if that's what you have, along with the proportioning valve.

My experience with Summit Racing - one of my top 2 go-to suppliers for standard name-brand stuff (milodon, Lunati, Melling, Cloyes). Always VERY satisfied with Summit's customer service, super fast deliveries, and best of all - if something needs returned, they ALWAYS accept it back with a full refund and no questions asked. Tough to find that nowadays.

Good luck with your project and sorry for the novel!
 
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