No oil to rocker arms?

[A383Wing]

large screwdriver in the slot in gear, twist and turn and it will rise up....then grab it with pliers

look and see if end of oil pump shaft is still on the shaft

it looks like a hex wrench

 

[Garys1969RR]

It's definitely no oil, the rods and rockers were bone dry.

How to get the gear out? So I can go directly to the oil pump?

Is it a hex socket or just like the end of a hex wrench

If one side is getting oil and the other is not, that points to a blockage in the passage from the cam journal to the cyl head oil outlet. Pull the rocker arm shaft off the side thats not getting oil. Then stick a long thin piece of wire down the oil hole to see if it goes all the way to the cam. Its the 4th pedastal back on a big block. Not sure on a small block. Google oil system for a 360 to get an idea of what you're looking at.

 

[Banzaiii67]

large screwdriver in the slot in gear, twist and turn and it will rise up....then grab it with pliers

look and see if end of oil pump shaft is still on the shaft

it looks like a hex wrench

Be patient when doing this, before you start take a picture of the gear and the position of the slot in relation to the distributor shaft. Also it doesn't hurt to take a picture of the rotor position while your at. Its real easy to go 180 degrees out. Removing the gear isn't always a cinch, it takes may take a few tries with pliers.

 

[Mopar-Charger]

Ok thank you. I appreciate the fast responses. I'm going to call the local speedshop to see if they have a primer, if not I'll go hunting for a hex stock.

Sounds easy to do, I just can't wrap my head around that actually working. But who knows.

Once again thanks, I'll give you updates as it goes!

 

[Banzaiii67]

Forgot to mention. It's helpful to have someone turn the engine over while priming. You won't get oil into the heads unless the cam bearings line up (mentioned already). On mine a Big block, At TDC it was pumping up to the left bank (facing front), at about 1/4 turn it started pumping up to the right bank. If it's bone dry like you say it is, than the cam bearings are install incorrectly.

 

[Garys1969RR]

Ok just to be sure on this, Mopar Charger, Did you say the cam bearings were NOT changed during the time the motor was at the machine shop? And you are using the same cam? And everything was working fine before you worked on the motor? If the cam bearings and cam were NOT changed then there is some other problem preventing oil from getting to the rocker arm shaft on that side.

 

[Daves69]

Is this a big block? Cheap shaft tool.
The zip tie causes an interference fit.

 

[Cranky]

Is this a big block? Cheap shaft tool.
The zip tie causes an interference fit.

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I have an old set of Craftsman piston ring expanders. It's like a pair of snap ring pliers except they have pads on the tips to catch the ring. They suck for putting rings on a piston but they work pretty nice for pulling out the intermediate shaft!

 

[Daves69]

I have an old set of Craftsman piston ring expanders. It's like a pair of snap ring pliers except they have pads on the tips to catch the ring. They suck for putting rings on a piston but they work pretty nice for pulling out the intermediate shaft!

Cool!
Lol, the first time I pulled one was with a screwdriver and tongs.

 

[Mopar-Charger]

Ok just to be sure on this, Mopar Charger, Did you say the cam bearings were NOT changed during the time the motor was at the machine shop? And you are using the same cam? And everything was working fine before you worked on the motor? If the cam bearings and cam were NOT changed then there is some other problem preventing oil from getting to the rocker arm shaft on that side.

I rebuilt this myself. Cam was not removed in the process. I got the gear out and I'm just looking for a hex to prime the engine. I'm just still not sure how that would work even after I ran the car for 300 miles and the oil gauge says I have pressure

 

[miller]

Wouldn't think so...but, check to see if the head gasket is blocking off the oil feed to that head, while your at it.

 

[Daves69]

Both sides dry?
All the gallery plugs in?
http://image.hotrod.com/f/27598010+...mouth_valiant+installing_oil_galley_plugs.jpg


Flow diagram...................

 

[Mopar-Charger]

Both sides dry?
All the gallery plugs in?
http://image.hotrod.com/f/27598010+...mouth_valiant+installing_oil_galley_plugs.jpg


Flow diagram...................

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Annnd. Thank you very much for that diagram! I think I just found out the problem. The oil feed hole on the rocker shaft is facing up rather than down. I get off work around 5 today and I will flip them around.

The Head gaskets all line up, made sure nothing was blocking the holes.

 

[A383Wing]

Curious if that will fix your problem, but make sure the oil holes face down and out towards the exhaust valves and not the intake side...it makes a difference.

The oil holes and mounting holes do not line up exact, they are about 10* off center

 

[Mopar-Charger]

Curious if that will fix your problem, but make sure the oil holes face down and out towards the exhaust valves and not the intake side...it makes a difference.

The oil holes and mounting holes do not line up exact, they are about 10* off center

Yeah, As of now they're facing the intake. I'll flip it over that way it faces down. I still ended up buying a primer for the engine, so i will prime it as while I am at it.

Happening tonight so I will update you guys as I get it done.

Thanks once more.

 

[Hemirunner]

You will most likely have to bump the starter or rotate the engine while priming to get it all to line up on that bank. Good luck.

 

[A383Wing]

which means whatever picture or markings you had for the dist drive gear will now be lost if you crank over the engine without the drive gear installed

 

[Hemirunner]

which means whatever picture or markings you had for the dist drive gear will now be lost if you crank over the engine without the drive gear installed

If the valve cover is off the no.1 side, all you have to do is watch the #1 intake valve close. Continue on around to TDC, reinsert the drive gear in line with the cam/crank centerline, reinstall distributor, making sure the rotor lines up with #1 on the cap, and you're ready to fire it with no worries of being 180 degrees out. Simple stuff.

 

[747mopar]

If the valve cover is off the no.1 side, all you have to do is watch the #1 intake valve close. Continue on around to TDC, reinsert the drive gear in line with the cam/crank centerline, reinstall distributor, making sure the rotor lines up with #1 on the cap, and you're ready to fire it with no worries of being 180 degrees out. Simple stuff.

It amazing watching some of the TV shows at how often they do that (180 out) spitting and backfiring, pretty simple stuff to get right.

 

[Daves69]

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