Numbers Matching Question

[pmsjaw]

I found a "numbers matching" original 383 69 RR. The trans was replaced years ago. Is it possible, as it is with motors, to find a date-coded correct transmission for the car? If so, just how difficult is it to find a proper date coded transmission (automatic)?
The guy is asking solid money for the car. I guess what I'm trying to find out is is it possible to actually find a trans that, when the car is examined, would be considered "numbers matching"?
Sorry for the long-winded question, but I'm not clear on this being it's a "trans" and not a motor. (yes, I've reviewed the "numbers matching" thread, but that's not my only question):angel1:

Some help would help.
Help.

 

[69 Runner]

The only way a trans would be "number's matching" for that car would be if it was the original, which would have the "number's matching" VIN stamped on it. A date code correct case wouldn't be "number"s matching", but would only be "date code correct"

 

[WileE]

What he said. A "numbers matching" car has it's original drivetrain (engine/trans) WITH it's sequential VIN stamped on them. If not, it's not numbers matching.

 

[696pack]

What he said. A "numbers matching" car has it's original drivetrain (engine/trans) WITH it's sequential VIN stamped on them. If not, it's not numbers matching.

Matching numbers means different things to different people and it really boils down to what you SPECIFICALLY ask and how deep you dig.

Check out this sticky here on the forum for a more in depth view on this.

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=10596

 

[pmsjaw]

Thank you, gentlemen.

 

[696pack]

What he said. A "numbers matching" car has it's original drivetrain (engine/trans) WITH it's sequential VIN stamped on them. If not, it's not numbers matching.

Not necessarily true. 68 back cars don't have the V.I.N. stamped on the engine or trans so you are discounting all of those cars as not numbers matching. Go to the link I posted above for the sticky on this subject.

 

[70mopars]

Not necessarily true. 68 back cars don't have the V.I.N. stamped on the engine or trans so you are discounting all of those cars as not numbers matching. Go to the link I posted above for the sticky on this subject.

That link was great reference. I verified title, vin plate, broadcast sheet, AND motor and tranny (assuming like sticky said it wasn't restamped). BUT I've got a silly question. Do you know of some kind of James Bond trick like using a pencil and tracing paper to be able to view the numbers from the trunk lip and radiator support without scraping off the paint or ungluing the weatherstripping? Also, are radiator and trunk #s stamped in a pretty consistent location (i.e. 6" from driver's fender or 2" from horizontal trunk lip)? I haven't been able to see anything. Do you by any chance have pics showing general location? I've always been curious but could never get a straight answer. Thanks. Henry

 

[MarPar]

68 GTX...
Her motor is not the original block that the car was born with, but the motor is stamped 4/20/67, so it's "date coded" enough for me! and she runs like a raped ape to boot!!! :3gears:

rad core support (typically near middle of core support) and trunk lip (typically middle of trunk rail) match the shipping order # on the broadcast sheet...and no, you really can't see the # on the trunk lip without peeling back the weather stripping.


:worthless_thread:

The close-up trunk pic is crappy, but you get the idea....


Here ya go, Henry!!!!

 

[detmatt1]

Very nice MarPar, I meen your nails, fresh manicure?

 

[moparstuart]

Very nice MarPar, I meen your nails, fresh manicure?

he should be a hand model :headbang:

 

[70mopars]

MarPar, that response is right on the money, Thanks. I'm gonna have to look again on the rad core support. As 696pack suggested, I'm going to try to see it fom the underside first. I'm not really thrilled with the idea of ripping up my weatherstripping for something that won't make the car run better. It would be nice to know, but it's just not THAT important to me. Thanks guys. BTW, the GTX looks sweet. Also, the nails are nice but I'm more of a TnA kinda guy.

 

[MarPar]

Very nice MarPar, I meen your nails, fresh manicure?

No sir, no manicure here! :bootyshake:

In my biz, you gotta keep your digits clean and trimmed!!!!

You wouldn't want your steak butchered by grimy oil-filled hands now do ya???uke: I know i wouldn't!!! :eusa_naughty:

Me on the left, my bro in the middle, and my old man on the right...

 

[WileE]

Not necessarily true. 68 back cars don't have the V.I.N. stamped on the engine or trans so you are discounting all of those cars as not numbers matching. Go to the link I posted above for the sticky on this subject.

I know that... the poster was referring to his "69" model year car.

 

[WileE]

Matching numbers means different things to different people and it really boils down to what you SPECIFICALLY ask and how deep you dig.

Check out this sticky here on the forum for a more in depth view on this.

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=10596

It doesn't mean different things to different people. And about that link, #4 & #5 states engine & trans match car. And it also says different things dependent on manufacturer (not people), which is absolutely correct.

 

[70mopars]

68 GTX...
Her motor is not the original block that the car was born with, but the motor is stamped 4/20/67, so it's "date coded" enough for me! and she runs like a raped ape to boot!!! :3gears:

rad core support (typically near middle of core support) and trunk lip (typically middle of trunk rail) match the shipping order # on the broadcast sheet...and no, you really can't see the # on the trunk lip without peeling back the weather stripping.


:worthless_thread:

The close-up trunk pic is crappy, but you get the idea....


Here ya go, Henry!!!!

696pack is right. While illegible, at least the number is visible from the bottom. This allowed me to separate the weatherstripping only over the number part. Now I've go another question. In your pic (as on my car too) there is another number that appears to be stamped from the other side. Any idea what this is?

 

[MarPar]

Honestly Henry, i have no idea. part number maybe? i dunno. i would like to find out myself!

 

[69Coronetrt]

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=10596

The link is a good start but may I suggest some proofreading to correct some of the errors. There are a couple of other areas that might want to be clarified also.

Also regarding 68 VINs on blocks...I have yet to see a credible source that doucments HP or non HP blocks getting stamps. It seems to pop up on a couple of boards as 'fact' but I've yet to see the proof of this theory.

It just doesn't pass the logic test. Why would you only stamp a VIN on an HP block? What would be the purpose? If you were stamping blocks on the line and all 383 engines were turquoise, how could you tell if the engine was an HP or not? Why would you take the time to try and find the HP stamp on the pad to see if you should or should not stamp the VIN? If you find a VIN stamped on any 318, any 383 in a non Super Bee or Road Runner, or non HP 440 C body, this theory goes out the window.

What can be documented is different plants apparently started stamping the VINs on blocks at different times of the year. If you have an early non-HP block that wasn't stamped from Hamtramck and try to compare it to a late built HP block from STL, you could reach the, erroneous, conclusion that non - hp blocks weren't stamped.

It would be nice to see some documented arm chair research on this topic.

 

[63RedFury]

some of the 68 blocks do have the vin stamped in them.You can find it at the rear of the motor at top where the tranny bolts to.Almost impossible to see unless the engine is out of the car.

 

[1969 Hemi RTs]

my 1968 RR 383 HP has the vin stamped on it. and the origional for the car.

 

[696pack]

It doesn't mean different things to different people. And about that link, #4 & #5 states engine & trans match car. And it also says different things dependent on manufacturer (not people), which is absolutely correct.

Yes, it does.

Just look at all of the for sale ads that states "matching numbers." When you quiz the seller about it you will get all different kinds of answers as to what THEY think it means.

That is the very reason I wrote the info in the link above some time ago.