scotts74birds
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My FAVORITE quote! "The problem with Socialism, is that you will eventually run-out of other peoples money!" Margaret Thatcher
OCT 13, 2013 Million Vet March in DC and in your city
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Lowhound
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If and when the Republican party stops fighting amongst themselves & unifies then they may stand a chance of winning more than just localized elections as the Congressional races are. When that happens, and eventually they will win the Presidency again someday. I wonder what kind of excuse they will use when THEY ask to raise the debt ceiling. And believe me they will. If Im not mistaken & you all can correct me if Im wrong but didn't George W. Bush raise the debt ceiling a few times himself in order to pay for a couple of wars which were payed for on credit. No wait a minute Fox News didn't report that so it must be a lie.
wvmarv
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No, but that doesn't take away my right to have my own opinion. Did you see any action?
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Can you give me your definition of socialism? And how exactly the ACA is socialism.
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Yes I think the ACA will be a very good thing. And apparently, you like so many others don't even know what the debt ceiling is all about. IT DOES NOT RAISE ONE PENNY IN THE AMOUNT CONGRESS CAN SPEND OR THE TAXES ANYONE PAYS. IT IS JUST A VOTE TO PAY THE BILLS THAT CONGRESS ALREADY HAS. Come on pay attention.
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Also if you care to read my posts, I never said one word about our Vets. It is very true that this country would not exist without our vets. But that doesn't give them the right to think they are better than anyone else. My wife's Uncles both served in Vietnam. One saw action the other didn't do anything but get high and load and unload trucks. Never held a weapon while he was there. Does that make him some kind of hero? I don't think so, and neither did he.
rocky61201
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I thought this thread was started to raise awareness of the million vet march. If you guys want to argue about different opinions or facts then start a thread about it. If you want to trade insults and be internet tough guys, then pm each other your info and take it somewhere else. I'm betting most of the stuff said already wouldn't be said the same way face to face.
wvmarv
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The only thing you have in this is your nose.
rickster1959
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And yet here we are 16 trillion in debt and you think we we will not get further in debt. get real when either party has raised the debt ceiling we have spent more and more. come on pay attention to history.
barnfind
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Yes I have, and its not something for this board! I read a lot of posts on here and it seems to me you are defending your right to your opinion yet when another member expresses their opinion they get put down by you. Why? it doesn't seem to fit the mold you have in your mind as correct thus making them wrong. Case in point cut and paste. That is my opinion read it for what its worth. The only persons problem that would be is yours not mine. I do not think Im better than anyone else, but it appears that you have a need to feel superior in your thought expression, by putting others down for theirs. End result: don't tell me how to express myself either!
Your relatives are heroes in my book it takes someone whos been there to understand that, its a shame your one relative doesn't feel as a hero. All vets write a blank check when signing on to uncle sam, up to and including life and everything in between. Some pay the ultimate price, others don't. Still a hero as many people are not willing to sign on the dotted line for what they believe in. Don't like how I express myself? Read and move along!!
rocky61201
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I am a vet and have more in this than just my nose. I support the intent of this thread and my fellow veterans protest of the monuments being closed. I read the thread again and I think the point budnicks was trying to make was that the president does have the power to open the monuments and not spend a dime making that decision. He is failing to do so. Veto's have nothing to do with that decision. Then you stepped in and took this thread in another direction.
Federal funds are used to clean and maintain the monuments and right now no funding is available. I get that, but it makes no sense to spend federal funding on enforcement to keep people out. Just keep it open, I'm sure some volunteers will come forward to clean the place up until the budget battle is over.
Stay on topic or please start a new thread.
pabster
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Well argued, wvmarv. I'll warn you, if you haven't figured this out already. When you disagree with the ultra conservative herd on this board, people will personally insult you. When you react to those insults, they will call you "thin skinned" or some such. If you insult them back, they will threaten you, usually involving bluster about being armed to the teeth. It's pretty pathetic considering that the majority of these political spats could be resolved if everyone read the facts in question. But obviously, they don't. If the GOP shuts down the government, it's the Dems fault. I don't get that logic, but then again I don't understand the conservative approach in the first place, considering that they came up with the basic plan that "Obamacare" is based on in the first place.
At this point, I've largely given up. I've gone so many rounds with a few people on here, and a few of them have encouraged others to put me on their ignore lists, insulted me up and down- I even got a PM once that threatened my life. It's really crazy, considering that all this hatred and anger is based on words written on a screen.
Pretty nuts that this board is a microcosm for the ignorance and intolerance that is the dark side of today's GOP. With attitudes like that, the party is in decline, and if they don't change their platform to represent educated & modern conservative thought, then they'll be obsolete within a couple election cycles.
Anyway, don't let 'em get you down. I for one agree with you and wish you the best.
At this point, I've largely given up. I've gone so many rounds with a few people on here, and a few of them have encouraged others to put me on their ignore lists, insulted me up and down- I even got a PM once that threatened my life. It's really crazy, considering that all this hatred and anger is based on words written on a screen.
Pretty nuts that this board is a microcosm for the ignorance and intolerance that is the dark side of today's GOP. With attitudes like that, the party is in decline, and if they don't change their platform to represent educated & modern conservative thought, then they'll be obsolete within a couple election cycles.
Anyway, don't let 'em get you down. I for one agree with you and wish you the best.
b-star69
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how come if you disagree with the largest tax increase in history/ the largest governmental grab of the private sector you are intolerant. if keeping my freedom makes me intolerant or " a gun tote-in,bible thump-en,pick-up driven, raciest " quote Barack Obama so be it! you guys are so brain washed buy this B.S. artist. one day you will see the error of your ways. unfortunately it will be to late! by the way Bush was a moderate and so is McCain and Romney. that didn't work for us so back to conservatism.
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rickster1959
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Hello Pabster, I try to discuss a topic with someone without acting like everyone who does'nt see it my way is ignorant or stupid. I have had exchanges with you and although we usually disagree I have not slammed you or tried to insult you or talk down to you. Both parties are to blame for the shape we are in. I personally will not follow a issue and think it is right for the country just because a certain party says that is the way they want it. I have a mind of my own and I will listen to all opinions. When I asked wvmarv a couple of questions he immediately went for my throat. I like to discuss issues and I truely want to hear people opinions. But all the putting people down will get us nowhere. I say this not only to wvmarv but everyone who is not open to listen to each other in a decent way.
pabster
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Thanks, rickster. Thanks for not slamming me, insulting me, etc. Jumping down anyone's throat isn't cool. I know I've done it in the past, usually because something away from the keyboard has pissed me off and the political barbs here just set it off. I do agree that in some way both parties are to blame. Around here, I've been slammed more times than I care to count. Sometimes I've kept my cool, sometimes I've ignored it, and sometimes I've retaliated. In the last year, I've toned down a great deal, mostly by avoiding the politics section completely.
Being in the enormous minority of people who are not totally against this administration for everything on this board tends to make one feel a bit under siege. It's difficult to let stuff that you know is complete BS go by. This is true on both sides of the opinion spectrum. But hey, I respect your opinion and appreciate you expressing it in a way that is not insulting to others. Have a good one and enjoy your Mopar.
Being in the enormous minority of people who are not totally against this administration for everything on this board tends to make one feel a bit under siege. It's difficult to let stuff that you know is complete BS go by. This is true on both sides of the opinion spectrum. But hey, I respect your opinion and appreciate you expressing it in a way that is not insulting to others. Have a good one and enjoy your Mopar.
turbo36
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The largest tax increase in recent US History actually occurred under Reagan.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/biggest-tax-increase-in-history/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-care-law-not-largest-tax-increase-us-histor/
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rickster1959 your pretty new here... welcome to the mix... I really think that you may want to actually read a few more of these guys posts/history, then make an honest assessment of where they actually stand or how they treat others on here & probably in life too... I will usually, try to give someone the benefit of doubt, until they prove otherwise... A few don't really ever contribute much on here just rhetoric & arguments, nothing car or B-Body related or very rarely anyway... I'm not really sure why some of the people are even on here, maybe for nothing other than instigating or provoking a political of philosophical fight... Yes I will be the 1st one to agree with you, that compromise & listening to many different opinions, is a great thing !!... I'm not always willing to compromise either... I have my strong believes, I stand by them & usually rarely waiver from a fiscal conservative/Independent views, following our US Constitution, Amendments & the Bill of Rights, that have served us well for over 237 years {well 232 years at-least anyway} & not always siding with one or "either" side... I do know, I don't like the way our country is being run right now or the lack of leadership & who I believe is to blame, for many of the problems & the division of the country today... It's pretty hard to have a discussion/debate with someone, especially when you have "two parties" {it takes 2 to tango}, that won't actually listen &/or not immediately disagree, then go on the attack, no matter what you say or what side you agree with {read a few of their recent posts}... Seems these certain folks {aforementioned few} always try to play the victim card &/or use the personal attack card BS... They seem to claim everyone is always victimizing them, when they are just as guilty, as those they claim are victimizing them, because they have a different view/outlook than theirs... Too each their own opinions, I commend you for having your own, speaking your own mind... Not blindly stuck on one side or view, sometime I wish I could be more like that too, I guess I'm stuck in my own ways sometimes, comes with age & life experiences... That's part of what's great about being an American, part of what great about this forum too, we can still express our opinions {for now anyway, we are losing more right/civil liberties every day}, no matter how much a voting/posting majority or minority thinks we should act... No matter how wrong, others that disagree, may think of mine or someone else's views/opinion, it's ours to give... Have fun, FBBO it's usually a much better/nicer/friendlier place, than what you see on these type posts, they can & will sometimes, bring out the worst in some people... We have a political forum for that stuff, I'm surprised this thread, isn't in that forum already, with all the political rhetoric...
Lowhound
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The republican/tea party is about to try to pass laws to make it illegal for anyone but themselves to use the U. S. flag, God, morality, veteran, leadership, family values because they feel they are the only ones that believe in them. Even if there were to be a middle of the road conservative he would never win his parties nomination even though he could quite possibly win the Presidency. Jeb Bush would be one person that I would consider voting for but I think most voters would hold his last name against him because of his brother. Even Jeb Bush himself said that in the present day that Ronald Reagan would not be conservative enough to win the Republican nomination. Just like the Democrats went to far to the left, the Republicans have went to far to the right.... Right over the edge that is.
ga66mopar
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydZTHPkOnvE
Barry must be unpatriotic.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Barry must be unpatriotic.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Lowhound
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Lets all get together & start one of those conservative petitions like the ones advertised on T. V. That will surely change things for the better wont it. I wonder how much money they raise by scarring people by making them believe "the government is out to get you" Im not so much afraid of the government as I am the ones that want to tell me that trickle down economics works & doesn't want to have any regulations on anything.
The only reason I keep going after you (I don't think I'm to harsh) is because you guys keep saying the same things that make no sense. First you always make it a GOP issue "I have no use for the majority of them along with most of us on here". Second you always say that Obama care was a product of the conservatives, you are out of your mind if you think Romney is a conservative or Romney care is a conservative approach to health care. Now your saying we are representing the dark side of the GOP "really" have you heard the filth being spewed by the left and the racial division caused by the administration by continually putting they're foot in they're mouth? There is no longer a Democratic party, they left years ago along with the GOP "wake up, they all suck" with a few exceptions.
Lowhound
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A lot of people consider themselves to be an "Independent". But as of yet I haven't noticed any of those to have anything but ultra conservative views about everything. I thought an Independent thought for themselves & had views that followed parts of both parties. Am I wrong in my thinking? Im sure someone on here will be glad to set me straight on this. What is really weird here in Alabama is the Republicans when they run against each other trying to win party nomination. All they do is try to prove they are more conservative or that their rival is not as conservative as they are. Then when they face the Democratic nominee they just say he is a liberal over & over. That is usually enough to win.
I don't consider myself an independent although I might as well, I consider myself a conservative. The Republican party used to be the conservative party but has long lost any resemblance of conservatism with the Democratic party bordering on communism (sorry, that's just my opinion). So where you go wrong is by trying to associate most of us with the GOP or them with us "they're crooks for the most part". My bet on why they always bicker about who's conservative and who's not is that none of them are and they know it. Conservatism isn't anything any honest American should ever be against in my opinion, I honestly don't think you guys have a clue what the term really means. Here's the definition of Conserve = to keep from being damaged, lost, or wasted. Now here's the definition of conservative = tending to conserve. tending to preserve established institutions, etc; opposed to change. moderate; cautious. cautious
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Let's look at this "to keep from being damaged" yeah I agree, we want our country and it's constitution preserved. "Tending to conserve" yeap, that's me being anti big gov and anti commi. "Tending to preserve established institutions" again, preserve the constitution. "opposed to change" I don't really completely agree with this as a meaning for conservative although I'm opposed to anything this Gov has to offer. "Moderate; Cautious" I'd say anybody would be better offer to enter into any debate, agreement or deal with caution. Where's the problem "really" these definitions pretty well hit the head on the nail as for why I call myself a conservative and if you can find fault in that then piss off.
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It's would appear to me the only big difference between all of us is that some of us realize the threat of an ever growing Gov and understand the danger while others blindly trust the Gov that has already robbed you blind.
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Let's look at this "to keep from being damaged" yeah I agree, we want our country and it's constitution preserved. "Tending to conserve" yeap, that's me being anti big gov and anti commi. "Tending to preserve established institutions" again, preserve the constitution. "opposed to change" I don't really completely agree with this as a meaning for conservative although I'm opposed to anything this Gov has to offer. "Moderate; Cautious" I'd say anybody would be better offer to enter into any debate, agreement or deal with caution. Where's the problem "really" these definitions pretty well hit the head on the nail as for why I call myself a conservative and if you can find fault in that then piss off.
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It's would appear to me the only big difference between all of us is that some of us realize the threat of an ever growing Gov and understand the danger while others blindly trust the Gov that has already robbed you blind.
