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roadrunner 8.4

crate 1.jpgcrate 2.jpgReading this thread about your block/motor prep is better than ****...lol.
PS: I did my block/engine "prep" by using a micrometer and measured the thickness of the 100 dollar bills in my wallet and ordered my motor from my engine builder accordingly. I used to build my own motors but that was 50 years ago....

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I see you're running a fairly short con rod. Curious what went into that approach. My first low deck "stroker" with stock 440 crank & stock low deck rods. It ran good. But just curious why not a longer rod?
Oh, I see that's the std kit size that keeps the pin below the oil groove. It should work the intake manifold really good, piston moving away from TDC really quick.
 
I see you're running a fairly short con rod. Curious what went into that approach. My first low deck "stroker" with stock 440 crank & stock low deck rods. It ran good. But just curious why not a longer rod?
Oh, I see that's the std kit size that keeps the pin below the oil groove. It should work the intake manifold really good, piston moving away from TDC really quick.

yep, nothing trick. just seeing what i can do with mainly off the shelf parts.

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well I'm committed now... only reason i ever started this project is i didn't want to keep worrying about the LY rods in the 440. in hind sight i should have just tore it down and put some good rods in it and tossed it back in. My Hemi is getting tired now, these resources could have been better used if allocated to that thing. Good thing is i have a challenger i hope to restore some day, figure the 440 would be a perfect fit in that, it'll just be a cruiser.

 
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Nice RR

keep us posted

I never stop spending, they're never done seemingly too....LOL
 
2nd that! Always something we can buy to improve the beast. So what's the E.T. goal for this engine?
 
2nd that! Always something we can buy to improve the beast. So what's the E.T. goal for this engine?

if i can drive it to the track, air the tires down, rip off a 10.90 something, air the tires back up and drive it home i'll be happy. its gonna take a little more than just the motor. best 60ft i've ever got out of it was a high 1.6 something running 11.50-11.60 with the 440. prob gonna have to work on the suspension, it spins pretty hard. i also think the trac lock is tired, i should have put clutches in it when i had it apart.

went digging though my old mans junk pile, i feel like making something....

 
68 Hemi GTS your inbox is full.
 
Is that a 400 2 bbl?
A 400 would be a 6.6 :D

all cleaned up! gonna do some deburing, a little work on the oiling system, tap all the threads, and check the deck height before i take it for machining..



Man, what did you clean it with?? And you don't hear too many doing blocks that way with all the checks. It's unreal how so many shops will just throw the block up on the machine and align hone, deck and so all of that machine without doing a fairly easy check because it's money in their pockets and checking doesn't pay much. My worse block had .005" deck height difference between all 4 corners and you can usually find a rod/piston combo that will take that up as most shops don't bother to check pin to pin lengths either even after they are finished being resized! Seeing all that makes this old man want to build one more before he can't lol. Btw, finally saw the thread and moved it to the Engine forum...
 
thanks Cranky, i'm pretty picky on engine builds. It kills me to have to farm out the machine work. when i use to do it for a living i machined all my stuff within 0.0001, pretty hard to depend on someone else to provide that quality.. There's a reman shop we use to send our stuff to for cleaning, thats where i had this one cleaned. they actually bake em out in a oven then blast em with shot i believe. really make for a nice foundation to work with..

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68 Hemi GTS your inbox is full.

its cleaned out now :grin:
 
Just tried again and said it was still full.....
 
got the block back from the machine shop yesterday. Time to get to work!

 
Looking real good Al. Hey Al just to let you know the 60 was not to bad on it having a low 1.6 sixty running 11.50's and 60's. My best 60 with my old 440 was a 1.59 as I usually was in the very low 1.60's like 1.61 or 1.62. Actually at another track it pulled a 1.57 once that I forgot about and that was on an 11.58 et but it did not back it up as the rest that day were 1.60 and 1.61 and my mph was usually 115 or 116 with a best ever of 11.49 @ 116 and a 1.59 sixty. Now at 10.70's my best 60 is a 1.50 which I have hit 3 times as the rest are low 1.50's. And thats just SS springs so if you run Cal Tracs you may 60 even better. It sure sounds like it will get in the 10's with ease. Good luck as you are doing one very fine and professional looking build on it. Ron
 
Looking real good Al. Hey Al just to let you know the 60 was not to bad on it having a low 1.6 sixty running 11.50's and 60's. My best 60 with my old 440 was a 1.59 as I usually was in the very low 1.60's like 1.61 or 1.62. Actually at another track it pulled a 1.57 once that I forgot about and that was on an 11.58 et but it did not back it up as the rest that day were 1.60 and 1.61 and my mph was usually 115 or 116 with a best ever of 11.49 @ 116 and a 1.59 sixty. Now at 10.70's my best 60 is a 1.50 which I have hit 3 times as the rest are low 1.50's. And thats just SS springs so if you run Cal Tracs you may 60 even better. It sure sounds like it will get in the 10's with ease. Good luck as you are doing one very fine and professional looking build on it. Ron

Al?? who the hell is Al, I'm Nevin! lmao yea it wasnt close to low 1.6's, this was a pretty typical time slip for the 440, after some tweaking it was running around 117.5 last time out. Im thinking it'll eventually get a set of SS springs, don't know if it'll be in the budget though this year. definitely won't be caltrac's, as good as they work on my dart it rides like **** unless you back the bars way off.

 
Al?? who the hell is Al, I'm Nevin! lmao yea it wasnt close to low 1.6's, this was a pretty typical time slip for the 440, after some tweaking it was running around 117.5 last time out. Im thinking it'll eventually get a set of SS springs, don't know if it'll be in the budget though this year. definitely won't be caltrac's, as good as they work on my dart it rides like **** unless you back the bars way off.



Sorry as my brain is in retard mode. I was thinking Hemi-Itis who is Al but your 68 Hemi GTS. Well you do both have Hemi in your name . LoL ! Really I appoligize as I meant your name but as I say my brain is a little off today. I myself love how my 63 rides on the SS springs and I know my buddies car with Cal Tracs sure makes alot of noise (rattling in rear) driving it around . Ron
 
well, i found some garage time today to work on the motor. needless to say I'm extremity disappointed in the machine work. now i remember why my dad coerced me into doing this work in my teenage years. i'll start with the align hone. i knew where i needed the housing bores, instead of giving them a number i left one cap torqued as a reference. i said take this measurement and tighten it up 0.0004". well they were all as big or bigger than where the original measurement was except #1 cap. i knew i was in trouble when only two caps had looked to be sanded on, none of them were cut with a stone (as you would normally do). saving grace is its easy to make something smaller. #1 main i had 0.0030 clearance (perfect), the others were all around 0.0035. i can fix that, a good flat machined surface and some emery cloth, a few hours and i had 0.0030 across the board. my biggest hang up is the deck height, i measured the driver side. knew i would be out of the hole. told them bare minimum to clean but parallel both sides. was told they pulled only a few thousands off. looks to be true but its not parallel!!!! I'm +005 to +.006 out on the driver side. that's pretty close to where i figured it before i sent it out. i wasn't able to measure the passenger side before going to the machine shop. its currently zero deck on the back and -0.004 in the hole on the front (passenger side). so i have 0.010 discrepancy from side to side. now i would expect a few thousands having done this for a living back in the day, but 0.010 is completely unacceptable. i haven't ran a machine in 10 years and promise i could still do better work than this after drinking my lunch. any way here's a few pics, may take it back to the shop to get the decks fixed. issue is its over an hour away and i gotta spend a v day during the week if i want it corrected.

always save your old bearings, they are great for mock up



only tight spot, easy enough to remedy.


not being a true flat top, you have to rock the piston in the bore and take the difference as your deck height





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your best friends when building an engine. a squirt bottle of paint thinner and white paper towel. if your engine builder uses red shop rags you should run..


also a good time to identify any lifter stickiness before final cleaning. i had none


mains torqued for clearance check


sanding a cap on some emery cloth and a over sized 123 block to tighten up my clearance.


rods torqued up with the bearings. a little snugger than i like, if i was at a shop i would hone the housing bores a touch. currently not an option so i'll live with 0.0023-0.0024 on the rod clearance.



since all the crank journals are slightly different, i try to fit each rod to each journal to equalize the clearance.


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i'll let you guys know where i go on the decks. I'm really thinking about investing in some machines and doing this stuff part time in the near futrue. My **** is right on, it really pisses me off to spend good money for in-furrier work. even the pistons aren't fit to each bore. when i did this work, i didn't care if the engine was for your daily driver or your blown twin BBC off shore boat motors. i mic'd every piston and fit each one to a bore. then i numbered them with stamps. its nothing to see 0.0005 difference is piston skirts. and your bores should reflect that. rant over............:cussing:
 
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well working on my little scrap metal project


ran the block back to the machine shop and had the passenger deck fixed.

de-bured the sharp edges off the bottom of the cylinders. this should be done on any build unless you like scuffs on your pistons.

also got rid of that tight spot by the pickup boss


i like to draw a stripe on my cam bearings, helps to line them up
 
Funny as I also put a stripe on my cam bearings when I install them as I agree it helps to keep them aligned when installing. Ron
 
I have no idea where to take a block for machining any more around Mi. Unless you spend damn near the cost of a replacement block! Guy here in howell comes with high regaurds. We will see here in a month or so. What cam bearing installer are you using?
 
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