Rubber suspension part recommendations?

[hunt2elk]

I have not seen any yet, but have heard that all Moog parts are now made in China and guys are seeing quality issues.
Going to replace all the poly suspension parts that I installed 15 years ago in my Road Runner with rubber. As well as upgrade the tie rod ends to the bigger 11/16".
Anybody do a side by side comparison with the made in USA Proforged stuff?

 

[Durandal25]

...not yet.....but I'm going deep into the products I but now.

 

[Beekeeper]

I have compared the proforged to Moog and there’s no comparison proforged is very well made and the bushings fit excellent. Also used their lower ball joints and tie rod ends the quality is very good on them as well. The Moog bushings I received we’re made in turkey! All three piece of crap sets.

 

[Durandal25]

I still have some old school TRW stuff around here somewhere.....

 

[Beekeeper]

I still have some old school TRW stuff around here somewhere.....

I would be using it

 

[Durandal25]

I would be using it

...oh, I am......as soon as I dig them out......its like the last thing that went into the boxes before I moved 4 years ago......you'd figure they'd be easy to frigging find....

 

[hunt2elk]

I have compared the proforged to Moog and there’s no comparison proforged is very well made and the bushings fit excellent. Also used their lower ball joints and tie rod ends the quality is very good on them as well. The Moog bushings I received we’re made in turkey! All three piece of crap sets.

One thing I can't find from Proforged is offset upper control arm bushings. Do you know if they make those?

 

[Beekeeper]

I don’t think so. Unfortunately I used the Moog offset bushings at least they were made correctly and they fit like they should.

 

[E5charger]

Moog is made in many countries and you may still find some made in the USA. I have always used Moog, but now think it's to much of a hit and miss. I am leaning towards Proforged but don't like that they are made in Taiwan. That's right they aren't made in the USA. They do get good reviews though. I found this explanation, by the CEO, on a Chevelle forum.

There are a few countries that produce the majority of steering parts these days: India, Turkey, China, and Taiwan. Some are still produced in the US and Canada, but mostly they come from overseas or are marked as "Assembled in USA."

For the most part, the quality coming out of India, Turkey, and China ranges from pretty low to downright scary - there are a lot of quality control issues, the fit and finish is not so great, and the durability is pretty poor.

The quality coming out of Taiwan is excellent...a big part of the reason is that it is a democratic country and a military ally of the US, so our government has pumped a fair amount of money and technology there over the years.

99% of our parts are made in Taiwan and every product that goes out the door is labeled with the exact country of origin. We spend a lot of time and money ensuring that our products are built to our specifications.

I personally take issue with "Assembled in the USA" because I can't tell where the components are being sourced from. For a Moog ball joint that is labeled "Assembled in the USA," are the ball stud and housing made in China or Taiwan? There is a HUGE difference in quality between the two.

A ball joint that is made and assembled in Taiwan - in my opinion - is much better than a ball joint made in China or India and assembled in the US.

Sorry to say that we just couldn't be in business if we had to make parts like ball joints in the US. For small production runs, the cost is 5x as much domestically. That would make a $20 ball joint cost $100.

Hope this clears things up.


Zack Kanter
Founder & CEO
Proforged Chassis Parts

 

[Durandal25]

...about 10 years ago, I got it in my head that buying NOS suspension parts was a thing.....

Moog is made in many countries and you may still find some made in the USA. I have always used Moog, but now think it's to much of a hit and miss. I am leaning towards Proforged but don't like that they are made in Taiwan. That's right they aren't made in the USA. They do get good reviews though. I found this explanation, by the CEO, on a Chevelle forum.

There are a few countries that produce the majority of steering parts these days: India, Turkey, China, and Taiwan. Some are still produced in the US and Canada, but mostly they come from overseas or are marked as "Assembled in USA."

For the most part, the quality coming out of India, Turkey, and China ranges from pretty low to downright scary - there are a lot of quality control issues, the fit and finish is not so great, and the durability is pretty poor.

The quality coming out of Taiwan is excellent...a big part of the reason is that it is a democratic country and a military ally of the US, so our government has pumped a fair amount of money and technology there over the years.

99% of our parts are made in Taiwan and every product that goes out the door is labeled with the exact country of origin. We spend a lot of time and money ensuring that our products are built to our specifications.

I personally take issue with "Assembled in the USA" because I can't tell where the components are being sourced from. For a Moog ball joint that is labeled "Assembled in the USA," are the ball stud and housing made in China or Taiwan? There is a HUGE difference in quality between the two.

A ball joint that is made and assembled in Taiwan - in my opinion - is much better than a ball joint made in China or India and assembled in the US.

Sorry to say that we just couldn't be in business if we had to make parts like ball joints in the US. For small production runs, the cost is 5x as much domestically. That would make a $20 ball joint cost $100.

Hope this clears things up.


Zack Kanter
Founder & CEO
Proforged Chassis Parts

Taiwan is a-ok in my book. Anti-Chinese and a ally...if they make good stuff, buy from them.....like a brothers south of the border.