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*sigh* I got to drop the Hurst shifter...

No, guys, I know all that jazz and yep, sure will use RED Loctite when I get at 'em eventually....

BUT the issue right now is I can't even get a box end on the bottom shifter to adapter bolt
because the PO did such a lousy job cutting the old floor out that it's damn near touching the
shifter bolt, dig?

Think jagged edge of floorpan in the horizontal, RIGHT next to the bottom bolt on the shifter -
forget about even getting anything up through there to the TOP bolt!

If I can drop the tail end of the transmission enough to access the bolts and get the shifter off
(I'm thinking maybe the exhaust might restrict that dropping very much without having to take
it loose at the header collectors?), you can bet your *** some floorpan modifications WILL
take place at that point.
Wish I had a cutoff wheel setup right now, in fact....

Just use the red sparingly if ya do use it because getting those bolts out when they stick in sucks.....been there done that. They are hard to drill and man do they suck getting out without screwing up the trans housing being they are countersunk deep inside that plate. I used blue for that reason.
 
You can use some heat to loosen the loctite for removal. It works wonders!

clean the threads and make sure they are dry. The blue works well.
 
I just did it yesterday on Billy's Duster, another hackjob four speed conversion. He had to take the Hurst handle off (for the third time lol) to heat it up and bend it enough to get it away from the driver's seat.
Lord... :)
This one fits in the car just fine (thank you, buddy seat and buckets!) and the shifter itself is dang near
new (like a lot of stuff on the car, there's over a decade but not even 1000 miles on it).
"Mr. Pro Stock Mopar Builder" that I hired to do the clutch and 18 spline install for me seems to have
perhaps not given as much care to my car as to his own, however.

That said, he did try to buy Fred from me when I went to pick it up afterwards, said he's never seen one
go down the road so straight like Fred does.
If only he knew.... :rolleyes:

I'm thinking I'm going to get under there, make what small incisions I can with whatever I got, then
proceed to use vice grips and a cheater (plus a hammer, of course) to bend/roll the metal away
and down from the opening to get a better clearance - and if I get lucky, maybe I can even form
a rolled smooth edge that won't cut me to ribbons, too.
 
Just use the red sparingly if ya do use it because getting those bolts out when they stick in sucks.....been there done that. They are hard to drill and man do they suck getting out without screwing up the trans housing being they are countersunk deep inside that plate. I used blue for that reason.
Ok...but do I really care about ever getting them out??
Let's be honest here, that transmission is Fred's last - and therefore, MY last.
I'd only be concerned with perhaps taking the shifter off in the future if it needed rebuilt or something,
but the adapter can stay there for life as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, for those wondering why I'm just now deciding after all these years to fight this fight?
Simple - sometimes, other people have done the work on the transmission and on the times I have,
it was out of the car totally - and I always install the shifter on the transmission before I install it,
because I HATE trying to take it off once it's in there. :)
 
You can use some heat to loosen the loctite for removal. It works wonders!
clean the threads and make sure they are dry. The blue works well.
Honestly, I'm concerned that the threads in the transmission might be buggered.... fingers crossed!
 
Mmmm...red loctite....

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Ok, first a DISCLAIMER:
"There are literally THOUSANDS of expertly prepared, performed and presented procedures on these very pages
of FBBO that give excellent instructions on how to do most anything to our beloved Mopars properly....
This ain't one of them.
The following should NOT, under any circumstances, be attempted, mimicked, shared with anyone
you care for.

GOT IT?
Old fool redneck with basic tools is doing this work. The following should be summarily totally
discarded as such."

(Keep in mind, I'm under Fred on the concrete floor. Fred is up on a floor jack and YES, a jack stand as well...
I know what you're thinking already, wiseacres...)

First, a quick video demonstration of the issue:

As seen from above, makeshift crap shifter boot and nice two-bolt Hurst handle removed.
Rattle, rattle....and nope, can't get at the top shifter mount bolt this-a-ways.
Onwards...
(We now fast forward in our story past the events depicted in the previous post that led to floorpan carnage...)

Once the floorpan was "modified", access to the two shifter mechanism mounting bolts became possible.
Both of these, by the way, were still tightly fastened to the adapter plate and all threads appeared fine once
they were removed (the top bolt still proving to be a biyotch, but it got done).
When the last engaged thread let go, the shifter spacer came straight down and made an attempt at my
forehead, which was deftly dodged.
It was immediately after that the shifter mechanism made its' move...

Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark. Surprised I've not been branded with "HURST" on the noggin from that
one. Good thing I got a hard head.
Much unholy utterances could be heard in the garage...but I got the damn thing out!
Score stood at Ed:1 - Fred:1.

Next was the offending adapter plate. I noted some discrepancies in the fasteners used, as well as the
relative tightness of each of the three. Once all were removed and the adapter out and laying on my
chest (not gonna fool me twice!), I checked the threads in the transmission with one of the correct bolts.
All seemed good, so out to the bench we go with the goods:
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The shifter appeared in fine kettle.

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The adapter also seemed fine - but what the HELL was up with that one oddball screw/bolt?
That one was found in the bottom mounting hole and no, it wasn't pulled up tight - too many
threads on it prevented it from being so.
Apparently the "mechanic" needed one of the fancy special flathead screws for himself and
had substituted that monstrosity for one of mine! Zero clamping force there.
Assmunch...

All three fasteners were NOT tight, by the way - leading to all the wobbling going on.
Well, crap - not like anyone in this town is going to have another of those fancy fasteners...
REDNECK ENGINEERING TIME!
I get out my giant bag of miscellaneous old Mopar-specific fasteners and try this bolt, that bolt
and finally stumble upon a common garden variety header bolt (with a little head on it - HEY, get
your minds out of the gutter people!) that I found would give me all the thread engagement I
needed, yet stay recessed in the hole on the adapter.
Done deal.

At this point, I'd had enough of concrete bingo for one evening and the wife's arrival from work
sealed the deal for today. Me done.
All threads have been wire-brushed and Brakleen'ed and the old tube of Loctite has been found!
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(I saw it was in a red tube and thought "crap, I wanted the blue stuff". Well, come to find out,
this IS the blue stuff! :thumbsup:)

Armed with ye olde instructions from Hurst, I'm good to go on reassembly tomorrow, forehead
and back willin':
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Thanks for all the help and suggestions, y'all. I love this joint so much...
Tune in tomorrow for the next exciting installation of "rednecks shouldn't own nice things!"
Void where prohibited
Your mileage may vary
NOT a member of FDIC
 
Ok...but do I really care about ever getting them out??
Let's be honest here, that transmission is Fred's last - and therefore, MY last.
I'd only be concerned with perhaps taking the shifter off in the future if it needed rebuilt or something,
but the adapter can stay there for life as far as I'm concerned.

Glad you got it Ed!......Trust me I am with you on who cares about getting it off! Only everytime I go with that theory and think that, I end up needing to remove it down the road and screwing myself hahaha!
 
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I didn’t see it written so I’m going to suggest this. Get an oscillating tool. There are many manufacturers out there. Get a decent one. The blades are the most important factor, get good blades, not harbor freight or no names. The assortment of blades is amazing and they will cut through anything for the most part. You could have easily enlarged that opening and not worried about damaging anything. I hope this helps in the future. Take care sir.
 
:lol:
Y'know my friend, I sort of expected more of a response to post #29, it being some of my better stuff
recently IMO - but then I thought "you know, some poor soul is gonna read this thread one day long after
I'm gone and he's gonna laaaaaugh" :)
Oh well, at least I amused the hell out of myself out there yesterday.
The tool pile under there was pretty funny - tin snips, Channelocks, little framing hammer, socket extension -
all used in the bludgeoning of the floor pan. Add in the PO's rivet action to the mix and it looks like some
bestiality has been going on under there. :)
 
I didn’t see it written so I’m going to suggest this. Get an oscillating tool. There are many manufacturers out there. Get a decent one. The blades are the most important factor, get good blades, not harbor freight or no names. The assortment of blades is amazing and they will cut through anything for the most part. You could have easily enlarged that opening and not worried about damaging anything. I hope this helps in the future. Take care sir.
You mean besides my mighty B&D jigsaw? :)
Eh, I do need to replace my sawzall that laid down and died a while back, I suppose...
Lots of other priorities in life these last months and days, you know.
Thanks for the good vibes! :thumbsup:
 
I suppose it would be a good idea also to hose out the shifter mechanism with Brakleen
and re-lube with what, like white lithium or some such?
 
Well, final result?
Everything cleaned up fine for starters - the shifter is over a decade old, but has very low
miles on it, so I expected that.
I decided to "glue" the spacer for the adapter plate to the back of the plate, since that's
been a source of aggravation in times past that I remember, so a little permatex gasket
sealer was used - nothing permanent, just something to hold it in place while I got the
screws started in the plate.

My using a header bolt for the bottom adapter to transmission attachment went just fine,
as did the other two "correct" fancy Hurst hex screws in the two other positions.
The header bolt, sitting on a thick steel washer, pulled right into the recess and got out
of the way of moving parts to come without issue - and took the torque, too.
All got some Loctite Blue - and this time, they received a proper dose of manly tightening,
courtesy of a 3/8" drive ratchet and proper sockets for each.

That part done, preliminary check showed the adapter plate to be seriously tight to the
transmission - half the battle was over.
Now, the fun began (read: frustrating at times, but not when you think it would)...

I had washed and blown out the shifter mechanism with Brakleen and compressed air;
I followed that up with a dousing of PB Blaster, to the point everything was clean and
loosy-goosy in there. I finished off with some white lithium and worked the mechanism
until it felt right in my hands, then wiped it off and tossed it under the car along with
its' mounting bolts.
Thanks to my "floor modifications" the day before, I was able to get both bolts in and
tightened to Ed torque using ratcheting box wrenches - and I didn't spare the horses
on those, either.
Things were going really well and I thought I was on the home stretch...

I got out the Brewer's-supplied photo of how the shift rods are arranged for reference
and chucked that under the car as well, along with the nylon washers and snap rings
for the shift rod pivots.
I used a snug allen wrench as an alignment tool for the shifter mechanism and set
about checking & adjusting the rods - some minor adjustments were needed, but nothing
drastic.

But those snap rings? Oy, those friggin snap rings...
There has GOT to be a better way of doing that! I HATE those things!

It literally took me longer to get those on than to check rod alignment.
Much cursing and gnashing of teeth was witnessed by Fred...

FINALLY, I got to the inside of the car and reattached the shifter handle (the two bolt
is definitely an inferior design to the "blade" ones IMO) and stuck the $20 Hurst boot
back on.
(I really need to get a proper shifter boot one of these days!)
I was so confident things went well that I went ahead and got Fred back down on all
fours and put the jack and stand away.

Finally, I got in the car and started playing with the shifter...
Where I found zero slop, no fussing going into any gear, all while not even starting
the car. It found neutral easily and it only took a quick stabbin' of the clutch pedal
to finish going up into reverse.
The shift pattern felt much smaller and precise; the shifter made all the cool
"snick-snick" sounds of precision that a good Hurst unit should.
There was a little stiffness, in fact - but I had to remind myself that the transmission
is a fully rebuilt unit with less than 750 miles on it, too, so it's gonna be a tad
stiff for a while longer.

All in all? I'm declaring victory.:thumbsup:
Maybe now I can get back to planning the brake overhaul I was planning on before
this little sidetrack reared its' ugly head.
Oh....and Fred grinned his thanks at me on the way out.
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Hey, you're actually getting good at this :thumbsup:
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Sure sure, have some fun with the fat kid... :)
None of this stuff is necessarily difficult, I know - and it's not like I haven't done this sort of thing
many times in the past, mind you...
but I guess the sense of accomplishment these past most recent years with these little mini-tasks
comes from the fact that not only am I still here to do these tasks again - but the realization that
in most instances, it's probably the last time I'll ever do a lot of them, too.

Still - I am finding it easier to do things like this that used to be more difficult, too - the only caveat
is my own physical situation and there is a certain satisfaction in that.
 
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