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The cold hard truth about electric vehicles in winter

Home owners installing solar panels are the Test Pilots for this concept. Individual homes and businesses would be equipped with battery arrays and a means of producing electricity. Secondly, as power companies invest in solar and wind, these cyclical producers are made more reliably consistent with Grid-owned battery banks. When I say "battery", that invariably includes a mix of batteries and super capacitors.
There is much energy generated that is just thrown away because the power companies cannot store it.
Thanks, but...
Why don't they have these "batteries" to store energy, that they want home owners and businesses to have, to store that "excess" energy ? And, what about my question about monopolistic sources, and who controls the "switch". Like when the numerous oil cargo ships I saw sitting outside in NY bay during the "gas crisis".
 
Partly by improving the efficiencies to the point where the same grid can do 2X+ the work.
We've done a LOT of efficiency improvements over the last 10-20 years like high efficiency AC units, LED lighting and many other things.....but so long as the population keeps on growing the world over, it's going to be pretty hard to (imo) get the grid we have now to do 2X the work.
 
We've done a LOT of efficiency improvements over the last 10-20 years like high efficiency AC units, LED lighting and many other things.....but so long as the population keeps on growing the world over, it's going to be pretty hard to (imo) get the grid we have now to do 2X the work.
Just look at how much power the new televisions save compared to the old CRT boxes!
 
Just look at how much power the new televisions save compared to the old CRT boxes!
But how much power do those huge screens use? What about the giant ones used at sports arenas? I think we actually use more power these days than we did 30 years ago.....
 
Tell us more about the train you drive; diesel or electric?


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I work from home so we are a 1 legal registered vehicle family; a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 4.0 I-6, converted to 5-speed manual.

You totally missed the joke.
He quoted a spelling error and made a joke and you missed it completely.

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I respect the knowledge of an engineer in the field and their points of view far mare than most. But I will try and clarify one thing about what CA does and doesn’t. It’s a one party state and they legislate what they want - when they want - to hell with what’s good for the people. Actually much of what they do is actually illegal and they often get challenged but drag things out in perpetuity to accomplish their objective. There’s a crystal clear word for the style of control here that I’ll let you guess - I want to stay outside of going political. But I believe You know of what I’m referring to. This place is pure poison.
most of it is proposed, not 'laws yet'
not voted on by the public, not ever even on a ballot
or a temporary Executive orders 'by sitting govn.'s'

people fail to ever mention any of that stuff too

just the word Calif. is a trigger here
 
Diablo Canyon, California's last nuclear power plant, is scheduled to begin shutting down in 2024.
It has never been anywhere near operational 'to any real capacity'
like 5%-10% or something
I worked there a few times, fitting & welding
when I worked for PG&E in the early 80's
(I still know people working there today too)
it's a mess, bureaucratic mess, it should have never been built where it is
anywhere near a faultline 1st off
& I'm NOT, a 'no NUKES type' of person...

I'm in the 'all the above type', a lil' bit of everything approach
not 1 thing, 1 sided approach, forced down our throats etc.

It was always being protested by the eco-NAZIs/activists "green crowd"
that always hated our powerplants
until now, because of the EV movement, now they need Electricity...
Hypocrites...
 
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Double the voltage in USA.....halve the current....simple terms, but it makes sense.

When that is completed....remember where you heard it first. :thumbsup:
 
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-Interesting to note how the Media is saying "How Good" Electric Vehicles are today and the inability of the Combustion engine to sustain......

This shows the contrary:

-Looks to me with options like Nissan's SkyActive technology and the new (See Pics) Revolutionary Toyota-Yamaha V8 Hydrogen engine technology, I would NOT count out the Combustion engine yet....
Seriously!

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But how much power do those huge screens use? What about the giant ones used at sports arenas? I think we actually use more power these days than we did 30 years ago.....
I have no idea what an arena screen uses, but at home, a 24" CRT used about 50% more power than a newer 42" LED.
The older plasma displays used quite a lot though.
 
...but so long as the population keeps on growing the world over, it's going to be pretty hard to (imo) get the grid we have now to do 2X the work.
And its always the 3rd world countries whose population increases, the masses who always TAKE and NEVER help
 
So
-Interesting to note how the Media is saying "How Good" Electric Vehicles are today and the inability of the Combustion engine to sustain......

This shows the contrary:

-Looks to me with options like Nissan's SkyActive technology and the new (See Pics) Revolutionary Toyota-Yamaha V8 Hydrogen engine technology, I would NOT count out the Combustion engine yet....
Seriously!

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That would be cool, if they can get a hydrogen distribution system in place.
BMW tried hydrogen power 18 years ago... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7
 
Didn't I just read something about a very large solar plant, outside of Tonopah NV. that requires more power to run it than it produces?? Is this what is going to save us????
Better yet, how about this?
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But how much power do those huge screens use? What about the giant ones used at sports arenas? I think we actually use more power these days than we did 30 years ago.....
my house, built in 1988-89,
added; lil' over 1,650 sqft, 50 year/thick heat resistant comp roof,
T111 sided, 2x6 construction, stick-framed

Just the change of the old propane & electric heater
replaced with a modern/new 'all-electric HVAC unit',
we didn't even have AC prior to 2010-ish,
only a huge inefficient swamp cooler/"whole house fan" :jackoff:
on the roof, 1989 tech.
it cut my electric bill in 1/2, even in the winter months
& my dad turning it up to 70* all the damn time
& I don't need or hardly use any propane anymore
($3,000+ a year savings, way, way more today, it's dbl'd in price)
I only use like 100cuft a year now, only my water heater is still propane
I 'use to' use almost 2 times that a month, in the winter alone...

I can have the AC on 75* all summer, 90*-100*+
(when my dad doesn't put it at 80*, he's always cold)
& still not have anywhere near the expense...
or usage prior...

I did all the low wattage, compact fluorescents lights everywhere too, :jackoff:
about the same time, 11wt usage for a 35-40wt bulb/lums
I'm just now having to replace a few of them...
With LED lights...

my PG&E averages $125 a month, maybe,
some bills in the fall & spring, are only like $70 a month
(we don't have any wind or solar BS either)
we did do more insulation 'blown in' 12"s, in the attic', at the same time too
it used to be average $280-$310 in winter, before even paying for propane
that was another $300 a month min.
$125-$175 in summer with no AC, it's about $4,000 a year in savings

we have 'no natural gas' up here, not supplied to the property

I can actually go out & read exact usage anytime
we rarely have much more than the fridge (newer), the TV (newer),
my computer (newer),
the old landline phones chargers/answering machine,
a couple old lil' alarm clocks/radios
& 1 or 2 lights here or there, whatever room we are in if needed
pretty minimal usage...
I just looked at it, it said right now (a few mins ago) lights,
3 on a ceiling fan fixture in my office
(11wts draw each, the TV & my computer & the fridge/freezer, 2 clocks, phones)
going from 90wts, to when the fridge kicks on 'spike to 275wt'
& settles back down to about 220wt, till the fridge motor stops,
then back down to about 90wt...

when the heater kicks on it's a 2,000wt spike, settles to like 1,200wt draw
like 10 min.s every hr, when it's cold, it does get cold in Calif. too

electronics, pumps fans motors & appliances especially are
far more efficient than 'they ever were', way back in the 80's at a min.,
leaps & bounds different, when this place was built...

time to update for some people
bite the bullet now & save a ton later, for years to come

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So the statitics I have read say that NO MATTER what America does ( we are already one if not the CLEANEST polluter in the world) NONE of it matters without EITHER India OR China cleaning up....
And China is building close to 1000 new Coal power plants??
Again, NOTHING America does will change Global climate change without India AND China totally transforming their ways of power production...
 
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