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To Windage or not to windage...that is the question!

To Windage or not to windage

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99ss said:
Oh, it sits on the gasket area... the ones I'm familiar with sit off the main studs and dont effect the sealing surfaces what so ever... yea stsking gaskets is never fun
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huh...sit off the main studs?? never seen one like that...got any pics?
 
not that my 2 cents matter a hoot at all but a windage tray and high volume oil pump could only be a good add even to a stock motor. Why not give your stocker a chance to oil better and maybe even get a few more horses out of it and maybe even have it last a little longer how is that not worth it? for the money a tray and new pump is a great investment in your engine in my opinion.

I run one on my 493 and oil psi never drops past 30 unless I am idling in traffic for more that 30-40 minutes at a time. usually around 60 and 80+ when getting on it.
 
I have used them on every 440 build so far. I once pulled a 440 from a motor home that had one. That was a surprise.
 
Sonny :tongue3:punched the wrong vote button!....I vote YES!
 
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looks like it is windage tray is winning because losing oil pressure when playing around can be costly
 
You only have to horsey and drive it hard on the street once to wish you had put one in .. Mar has already decided to do just that
 
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A windage tray is said to add 15 HP at 5000 RPM just by scraping the oil off the crank or keeping it from getting sucked into it. Since you are there with the pan off put one in. Will you notice a big power increase?? Not likely. But don't install a high volume pump. Higher pressure OK, but stock volume only.
 
Meep-Meep said:
A windage tray is said to add 15 HP at 5000 RPM just by scraping the oil off the crank or keeping it from getting sucked into it. Since you are there with the pan off put one in. Will you notice a big power increase?? Not likely. But don't install a high volume pump. Higher pressure OK, but stock volume only.
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ha! she barely touches 5 grand {if i can help it! lol :pink banana::pink banana: }

...and she does have a stock oil pump and spring still, Meeps. i reckon 40 psi is good enough at idle for my olde 440...yes?

I did wind up putting the Jeg's windage tray in, and hot damn was it great!! :hello2:

no messin' around with a bunch of gaskets and the windage, it was all in one!! BAM!!! all i did was coat the the top of the windage tray with fresh oil, and on she went!!! and not a peep of oil from the windage or the {brand new 971 moroso} oil pan this past weekend {she got close to 5 grand...but it was a shakedown run, waddaya want from me?? lol}...

only thing leaking is the rear main...still!!! :angryfire: third time wasnt the charm, i guess!!

fugg it...it ain't too bad, im drivin' it for the summer!!! {ill bring her diaper to my old man's house..fresh concrete 3 years ago...:icon_winkle:}

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thank you FBBO for your input. I did figure I should have a windage, but y'all confirmed it for me in spades!! lol
 
Meep-Meep said:
A windage tray is said to add 15 HP at 5000 RPM just by scraping the oil off the crank or keeping it from getting sucked into it. Since you are there with the pan off put one in. Will you notice a big power increase?? Not likely. But don't install a high volume pump. Higher pressure OK, but stock volume only.
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I was always advised the opposite.. moving more oil is better than high pressure.. pressure is controlled by the tolerances isn't it?
 
Mar, 40 PSI on a hot idle is excellent. Should be 70 as the RPM goes up.

99SS, pretty much, but tolerances will also affect flow. The looser the clearances the more oil you can move but at lower pressure. High flow = low pressure and vice-versa. The problem with putting a high volume pump on an engine that isn't built for it is on the suction side you created a larger restriction if you keep the 3/8" pick up, and on the delivery side where is all that oil going to go with tight clearances? I like a little extra oil pressure on a street car because I think you would get a stronger spray as it squeezes out of the rods and that might provide better lubrication for the cam at low speeds. Also having the oil present at the journal oil hole with more pressure might float the crank a little better. What high oil pressure does do is rob power and put a strain on the drive, so too high is not good. Just use the black 70 lb spring from MoPar and you're good to go.
 
MarPar said:
ha! she barely touches 5 grand {if i can help it! lol :pink banana::pink banana: }

...and she does have a stock oil pump and spring still, Meeps. i reckon 40 psi is good enough at idle for my olde 440...yes?

I did wind up putting the Jeg's windage tray in, and hot damn was it great!! :hello2:

no messin' around with a bunch of gaskets and the windage, it was all in one!! BAM!!! all i did was coat the the top of the windage tray with fresh oil, and on she went!!! and not a peep of oil from the windage or the {brand new 971 moroso} oil pan this past weekend {she got close to 5 grand...but it was a shakedown run, waddaya want from me?? lol}...

only thing leaking is the rear main...still!!! :angryfire: third time wasnt the charm, i guess!!

fugg it...it ain't too bad, im drivin' it for the summer!!! {ill bring her diaper to my old man's house..fresh concrete 3 years ago...:icon_winkle:}

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thank you FBBO for your input. I did figure I should have a windage, but y'all confirmed it for me in spades!! lol
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Wise man Mar .. when you have this resource it'd be foolish to waste it if you weren't sure brother :) I'm considering using that windage tray you bought too next time I have an oil pan off
 
I just installed a wind age tray on the 440 in my Imperial and the billet aluminum rear main seal housing from Mancinis, hopefully that takes care of my leaky rear main.
 

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Based on 10 years of dynoing these engines, That 3/8 oil pickup starvation thing with a hv pump is a myth. The problem is lack of oil capacity in the pan combined with the fact that these engines dump a ton of oil on the top end and around the lifters.
 
a friend of mines dad owned a car lot and he took the crank out of a 440 6pk because we never warmed the oil up before high RPMs so the oil did not drain back to the pan fast enough
 
Being a newcomer here, I am only offering my opinion. At the level of strain you say you will put on the engine, it sounds like you don't need the windage. However, your statements and replies during the topic discussion make me think you will be exceeding the limits of what you initially said. Just a feeling and an opinion. So, I would go with the windage.

Police cars had them because they would cruise around all day at the speed limit, not putting much strain on the engine, turning it off, starting it up, stop and go traffic, and then WHAM! They're in a high speed chase where the RPMs are up then down then up then down then up, as they chase some perp throughout the city. They couldn't afford to lose lubrication at a critical point in the pursuit.
 
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